Second, I didn’t start talking shit to Miriam until she started talking shit to me. My original comment was that these medicines shouldn’t exist and they should have to suffer with their disease.
So you started saying that there shouldn’t be a treatment for a particullar disease because you don’t like the behaviors that lead to infection? And then someone with the disease said that it is a pretty messed up thing to say because she has the disease and got it from her husband when she was an 18 year old virgin. I don’t know. See, you don’t have the problem so you don’t see it as a problem.
Now, the reason that this pisses me off is that I suffer from chronic depression and lots of folks have the same bullshit attitude about depression and psych meds. “Just suck it up” or “It is your own fault for letting life get you down”. If not for my anti-depressants, my mood would be far less manageable. My wife is from a family that teaches “just pray about it” and God will keep you from being depressed if you believe in God enough. And they offer the same kind of bullshit statements at the house when Zoloft commercials come on, not knowing that my wife and I both take anti-depressants. Lots of folks have a problem with mental illness and I feel about the same way Miriam does when people run around making irresponsible statements about the disease, the causes, or the treatments.
Justin B. - 09:08pm on 08/11/2007
I suffer from an anxiety disorder and have panic attacks so I know how you feel about your depression. I don’t take medication, however because they all make me drowsy, but that’s beside the point. Depression and anxiety are usually something that you’ve had since birth and it just takes a trigger to set it off and you suffer for life and the therapy rarely helps by itself. There’s nothing you can do about it and treatment should always be available.
Miriam on the other hand should have had a chat with her husband before the wedding because even though people with herpes don’t immediately show symptoms, the first outbreak generally appears within 1-2 weeks of exposure. He knew he had it. If they would have been open and honest about things, she would have known too and could have avoided her problem completely.
k_lunch - 10:08pm on 08/11/2007
Miriam on the other hand should have had a chat with her husband before the wedding because even though people with herpes don’t immediately show symptoms, the first outbreak generally appears within 1-2 weeks of exposure. He knew he had it. If they would have been open and honest about things, she would have known too and could have avoided her problem completely
Agree with all until the last point. There really are several problems here. First, her husband didn’t either know or tell her. It is one or the other. But that is not the bigger issue. If she knew and loved the guy and there weren’t treatments 20 years ago, lots of folks simply made decisions to accept that the infection was inevitable between partners and they were willing to accept the consequences. Valtrex at least offers a choice in the latter situation.
Now, what bothers me is certainly not that situation. It is some 25 year old that has multiple partners and uses the drugs for suppressant features so that he/she is less likely to have visible symptoms and can continue to be promiscuous. But these are apple and oranges different situations and certainly in the latter, I have no sympathy either.
Justin B. - 10:08pm on 08/11/2007
BTW, Navy medic training here kicking in. We had to teach Sailors and Marines about STDs.
Justin B. - 10:08pm on 08/11/2007
I won’t share STD stories of the stuff I have seen Marines come in with, but…
Justin B. - 10:08pm on 08/11/2007
Justin B. - “Just suck it up” or “It is your own fault for letting life get you down”. If not for my anti-depressants, my mood would be far less manageable. My wife is from a family that teaches “just pray about it” and God will keep you from being depressed if you believe in God enough.
I’d be careful with that kind of info around here. We have a hateful self-described Christian that has taken up residence here at this site. If he sees this, he might use it against you and make all manner of damaging assumptions and assertions. Then you’ll have to chose between either leaving the damaging assertions unanswered, or correcting the record. I can tell you from personal experience that this is a fruitless effort.
I think you know who I am talking about. Just be careful.
likwidshoe - 10:08pm on 08/11/2007
Our gracious host is exactly right that it’s a good thing to be married and safe(r) than in the dating pool. Along with the stats on herpes (20%? Yikes!), a 1999 NIH or CDC estimate suggested that about 65 million adults had had, or currently had, some kind of STD.
Using a “guesstimate” that married people are somewhat less likely to have these, it would suggest that there is a very high likelihood-->50%--that the person you meet in the singles bar has, or has had, a “gift that keeps on giving.”
And the commercials? Well, the Cialis commercial killed off my love of watching football. I wasn’t ready to explain what a “four hour...” was to my five year old daughter. She’s almost nine now, and I’m still not ready.
So go Vikings--and take the Gophers with you, for all I care. And be careful, single people.
So you started saying that there shouldn’t be a treatment for a particullar disease because you don’t like the behaviors that lead to infection? And then someone with the disease said that it is a pretty messed up thing to say because she has the disease and got it from her husband when she was an 18 year old virgin. I don’t know. See, you don’t have the problem so you don’t see it as a problem.
Now, the reason that this pisses me off is that I suffer from chronic depression and lots of folks have the same bullshit attitude about depression and psych meds. “Just suck it up” or “It is your own fault for letting life get you down”. If not for my anti-depressants, my mood would be far less manageable. My wife is from a family that teaches “just pray about it” and God will keep you from being depressed if you believe in God enough. And they offer the same kind of bullshit statements at the house when Zoloft commercials come on, not knowing that my wife and I both take anti-depressants. Lots of folks have a problem with mental illness and I feel about the same way Miriam does when people run around making irresponsible statements about the disease, the causes, or the treatments.
I suffer from an anxiety disorder and have panic attacks so I know how you feel about your depression. I don’t take medication, however because they all make me drowsy, but that’s beside the point. Depression and anxiety are usually something that you’ve had since birth and it just takes a trigger to set it off and you suffer for life and the therapy rarely helps by itself. There’s nothing you can do about it and treatment should always be available.
Miriam on the other hand should have had a chat with her husband before the wedding because even though people with herpes don’t immediately show symptoms, the first outbreak generally appears within 1-2 weeks of exposure. He knew he had it. If they would have been open and honest about things, she would have known too and could have avoided her problem completely.
Agree with all until the last point. There really are several problems here. First, her husband didn’t either know or tell her. It is one or the other. But that is not the bigger issue. If she knew and loved the guy and there weren’t treatments 20 years ago, lots of folks simply made decisions to accept that the infection was inevitable between partners and they were willing to accept the consequences. Valtrex at least offers a choice in the latter situation.
Now, what bothers me is certainly not that situation. It is some 25 year old that has multiple partners and uses the drugs for suppressant features so that he/she is less likely to have visible symptoms and can continue to be promiscuous. But these are apple and oranges different situations and certainly in the latter, I have no sympathy either.
BTW, Navy medic training here kicking in. We had to teach Sailors and Marines about STDs.
I won’t share STD stories of the stuff I have seen Marines come in with, but…
Justin B. - “Just suck it up” or “It is your own fault for letting life get you down”. If not for my anti-depressants, my mood would be far less manageable. My wife is from a family that teaches “just pray about it” and God will keep you from being depressed if you believe in God enough.
I’d be careful with that kind of info around here. We have a hateful self-described Christian that has taken up residence here at this site. If he sees this, he might use it against you and make all manner of damaging assumptions and assertions. Then you’ll have to chose between either leaving the damaging assertions unanswered, or correcting the record. I can tell you from personal experience that this is a fruitless effort.
I think you know who I am talking about. Just be careful.
Our gracious host is exactly right that it’s a good thing to be married and safe(r) than in the dating pool. Along with the stats on herpes (20%? Yikes!), a 1999 NIH or CDC estimate suggested that about 65 million adults had had, or currently had, some kind of STD.
Using a “guesstimate” that married people are somewhat less likely to have these, it would suggest that there is a very high likelihood-->50%--that the person you meet in the singles bar has, or has had, a “gift that keeps on giving.”
And the commercials? Well, the Cialis commercial killed off my love of watching football. I wasn’t ready to explain what a “four hour...” was to my five year old daughter. She’s almost nine now, and I’m still not ready.
So go Vikings--and take the Gophers with you, for all I care. And be careful, single people.