I guess i find the idea of “animal liberation” silly regardless of how it is justified.
Rob - 07:02am on 02/09/2006
Stewardship is a great word, but the same Bible also called for Adam and Eve to be clothed with the skins of animals after the fall. They were also directed to eat them, and that is followed by a long history of animal sacrifice to cover human sins.
I guess you could say Jesus was a great animal liberator since his ultimate sacrifice for our sins was to put an end to the shedding of animal blood.
But I don’t think the Christian case for animal welfare (at least how it is defined in the article) is terribly strong.
King of Fools - 07:02am on 02/09/2006
You can be for humane treatment of animals without being a member of PETA or a vegetarian. Keeping animals in small unsanitary feed lots is not humane nor is it healthy for humans to consume meat from animals confined to these areas.
docdave - 08:02am on 02/09/2006
Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
We’re supposed to be good stewards of ALL that God gives us, but he did not give animals souls and did not forbid that they be food for humanity.
Clint - 10:02am on 02/09/2006
Dave: I understand that this guy more or less subscribes to your ideology, but what is it that makes him a “conservative”? Is it that he is described as a “former speechwriter for George W. Bush”? Pretty thin, IMO.
robert108 - 02:02pm on 02/09/2006
if animals weren’t meant to be food, they wouldn’t taste so good.
Daniel - 04:02pm on 02/09/2006
if animals weren’t meant to be food, they wouldn’t taste so good.
If blacks weren’t meant for slavery they wouldn’t work so hard. This is fun!
I understand that this guy more or less subscribes to your ideology, but what is it that makes him a “conservative”? Is it that he is described as a “former speechwriter for George W. Bush”? Pretty thin, IMO.
The title of the article (which I’m guessing you did NOT read) is “Compassionate Conservatives for Animals.” The author, Jason Ketola, is a member of “Students for a Conservative Voice” which, and I’m just guessing here, is a conservative organization.
Dave - 07:02pm on 02/09/2006
Dave: Or they could be lying lefties. Calling yourself a conservative isn’t the same as actually being one. Talking the talk ain’t the same as walking the walk. Glad you admit you are guessing here.
Still on that “eating meat equals slavery” meme, eh?
robert108 - 01:02am on 02/10/2006
robert108: Do you have any evidence whatsoever to justify your claim?
And eating meat does equal slavery, yes, so I’ll stay on that “meme.”
Dave - 04:02am on 02/10/2006
Dave: I made no claim, I only questioned your claim that this drivel was from real conservatives. You forgot that humans and animals are different. Oh, I forgot! You don’t know that.
I guess i find the idea of “animal liberation” silly regardless of how it is justified.
Stewardship is a great word, but the same Bible also called for Adam and Eve to be clothed with the skins of animals after the fall. They were also directed to eat them, and that is followed by a long history of animal sacrifice to cover human sins.
I guess you could say Jesus was a great animal liberator since his ultimate sacrifice for our sins was to put an end to the shedding of animal blood.
But I don’t think the Christian case for animal welfare (at least how it is defined in the article) is terribly strong.
You can be for humane treatment of animals without being a member of PETA or a vegetarian. Keeping animals in small unsanitary feed lots is not humane nor is it healthy for humans to consume meat from animals confined to these areas.
Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
We’re supposed to be good stewards of ALL that God gives us, but he did not give animals souls and did not forbid that they be food for humanity.
Dave: I understand that this guy more or less subscribes to your ideology, but what is it that makes him a “conservative”? Is it that he is described as a “former speechwriter for George W. Bush”? Pretty thin, IMO.
if animals weren’t meant to be food, they wouldn’t taste so good.
If blacks weren’t meant for slavery they wouldn’t work so hard. This is fun!
The title of the article (which I’m guessing you did NOT read) is “Compassionate Conservatives for Animals.” The author, Jason Ketola, is a member of “Students for a Conservative Voice” which, and I’m just guessing here, is a conservative organization.
Dave: Or they could be lying lefties. Calling yourself a conservative isn’t the same as actually being one. Talking the talk ain’t the same as walking the walk. Glad you admit you are guessing here.
Still on that “eating meat equals slavery” meme, eh?
robert108: Do you have any evidence whatsoever to justify your claim?
And eating meat does equal slavery, yes, so I’ll stay on that “meme.”
Dave: I made no claim, I only questioned your claim that this drivel was from real conservatives. You forgot that humans and animals are different. Oh, I forgot! You don’t know that.