If one had a very big gate its unlikely that one would need a high fence. Its unlikely, because of the protectionist/mercantilist policies of most Republicans and Democrats, that one would see such a capitalist policy come into being though.
Epicurus - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
I think a fence is needed even with the gate. Regardless of how liberal our immigration policies become, there will be some who will be denied entrance because they are criminals or security threats. We have an immigration filtering process for a reason, and the way is part of making sure people go through that process rather than by-passing it.
Rob - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Rob,
You have some way of doing fuzzy math. First flaw. Many do not pay taxes because they are paid in cash, so anything they receive in services is greater than what they pay in taxes. Who’s fault is this, the employeer. If they were allowed to pay taxes that number would fall greatly. Second, you assumed everyone is the same age and NONE pay taxes, I believe the median age of thse immigrants is like 27. I can almost bet its the older folks using the services. Third, if employeers paid the taxes and the insurance of these follks this would not be an issue. Lastly, what you always seem to forget to mention is their purchasing power. It is at 700 billion, that is money they use to buy products and services here in the states. How many American jobs does that generate? How many have a job, because their product is being purchased by this consumer segment. Yes its a vicious circle, but it is important that you state all the facts correctly.
Cheers,
ccvlje
ccvlje - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Rob,
Since when did a lack of a high fence equal no fence?
Epicurus - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Well fine, epicurus, we’ll dispense with "high vs. low" fences and just settle with this: An effective fence that keeps the people we don’t want in out.
That ok?
Rob - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
As a caveat I’ll note this (this isn’t really directed towards Rob’s comment):
I find quite odd that defending entitlement programs is something that anti-immigrants jump to as one of their first arguments against immigration since the anti-immigrant crowd tends to oppose (rightly) such programs in other circumstances.
Epicurus - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Rob,
Well, not to take you too literally, in many instances I dbout that it would even have to be a real, in situ, fence.
Epicurus - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Rob,
Larry Kudlow wrote the following is his weekly piece.
"According to Forbes magazine, only 10 percent of illegal Mexicans have sent a child to an American public school and just 5 percent have received food stamps or unemployment benefits. A U-Cal Davis study also shows that more immigrant workers lead to more economic growth. This is standard economics. Multiply an enlarged workforce times existing productivity and you get more economic growth. "
Makes sense to me. Wouldn’t you agree ?
ccvlje - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
Rob,
Larry Kudlow wrote the following is his weekly piece.
"According to Forbes magazine, only 10 percent of illegal Mexicans have sent a child to an American public school and just 5 percent have received food stamps or unemployment benefits. A U-Cal Davis study also shows that more immigrant workers lead to more economic growth. This is standard economics. Multiply an enlarged workforce times existing productivity and you get more economic growth. "
Makes sense to me. Wouldn’t you agree ?
ccvlje - 07:04am on 04/06/2006
ccvlje,
Most of the anti-immigrant crowd is laboring under the weight of mercantilist ideas attacked by such capitalist luminaries as David Hume and Adam Smith and by many later thinkers.
If one had a very big gate its unlikely that one would need a high fence. Its unlikely, because of the protectionist/mercantilist policies of most Republicans and Democrats, that one would see such a capitalist policy come into being though.
I think a fence is needed even with the gate. Regardless of how liberal our immigration policies become, there will be some who will be denied entrance because they are criminals or security threats. We have an immigration filtering process for a reason, and the way is part of making sure people go through that process rather than by-passing it.
Rob,
You have some way of doing fuzzy math. First flaw. Many do not pay taxes because they are paid in cash, so anything they receive in services is greater than what they pay in taxes. Who’s fault is this, the employeer. If they were allowed to pay taxes that number would fall greatly. Second, you assumed everyone is the same age and NONE pay taxes, I believe the median age of thse immigrants is like 27. I can almost bet its the older folks using the services. Third, if employeers paid the taxes and the insurance of these follks this would not be an issue. Lastly, what you always seem to forget to mention is their purchasing power. It is at 700 billion, that is money they use to buy products and services here in the states. How many American jobs does that generate? How many have a job, because their product is being purchased by this consumer segment. Yes its a vicious circle, but it is important that you state all the facts correctly.
Cheers,
ccvlje
Rob,
Since when did a lack of a high fence equal no fence?
Well fine, epicurus, we’ll dispense with "high vs. low" fences and just settle with this: An effective fence that keeps the people we don’t want in out.
That ok?
As a caveat I’ll note this (this isn’t really directed towards Rob’s comment):
I find quite odd that defending entitlement programs is something that anti-immigrants jump to as one of their first arguments against immigration since the anti-immigrant crowd tends to oppose (rightly) such programs in other circumstances.
Rob,
Well, not to take you too literally, in many instances I dbout that it would even have to be a real, in situ, fence.
Rob,
Larry Kudlow wrote the following is his weekly piece.
"According to Forbes magazine, only 10 percent of illegal Mexicans have sent a child to an American public school and just 5 percent have received food stamps or unemployment benefits. A U-Cal Davis study also shows that more immigrant workers lead to more economic growth. This is standard economics. Multiply an enlarged workforce times existing productivity and you get more economic growth. "
Makes sense to me. Wouldn’t you agree ?
Rob,
Larry Kudlow wrote the following is his weekly piece.
"According to Forbes magazine, only 10 percent of illegal Mexicans have sent a child to an American public school and just 5 percent have received food stamps or unemployment benefits. A U-Cal Davis study also shows that more immigrant workers lead to more economic growth. This is standard economics. Multiply an enlarged workforce times existing productivity and you get more economic growth. "
Makes sense to me. Wouldn’t you agree ?
ccvlje,
Most of the anti-immigrant crowd is laboring under the weight of mercantilist ideas attacked by such capitalist luminaries as David Hume and Adam Smith and by many later thinkers.