Being an Engineer is more than just wearing those striped gray coveralls. You have to go into high level maths. Most teachers aren’t ready to do that.
Face it teachers have the best job they can get. They are well paid. They should drop the histrionics and admit it.
I’m tired of responding to your tripe.
Tripe? Can’t argue with the facts can you?
The Whistler - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
I want to know what teachers and the public education system did to Whistler...it seems they are always a thorn in his side.
Not to be critical, but I believe the 188 days Whistler quoted is around the minimum length, but is not standard. A lot of districts contract the teachers for more. Not that a few more days makes that big of difference.
Rally - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
Rally I wasn’t aware of that. I got the 188 days from the GF base pay calculation.
That’s the one I’ve studied the most for obvious reasons.
I don’t have anything against teachers in general (although I wish they’d quit sending so much homework home with the kids.) However I think they are well paid, and the evidence bears that out.
I guess I do have problems with the teachers that whine about the good thing they have going.
The Whistler - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
I think they are well paid and the evidence bears that out.
What a sad, sad joke.
pparets - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
I provided two studies that showed that.
But tell you what if you think you’re underpaid the school years almost over. Go take the Engineering job you’ve been pining over.
If not engineering go take that job that pays better.
Let me know how it works out for you.
The Whistler - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
COLA’d pensions in their fifties, in many cases!
This is not true any longer
in many cases, a 5 year degree just like any other profession.
This is a requirement for all teachers
Professionals go out in the market and prove/earn their worth, often on a daily basis.
Are you suggesting teachers are not professionals?
Your [The Whistler] bias is obvious
I have to agree and it seems quite disrespectful to the many excellent teachers who blog here
Anna - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
I want to know what teachers and the public education system did to Whistler...it seems they are always a thorn in his side.
The problem I have with the public education system is that it costs me and my fellow taxpayers a ton of money for doing a mediocre job.
And I’m tired of the lies about teacher pay. People (see: Pparets) try to emotionalize it, but looking at it objectively teaching jobs are among the most well-compensated in any community.
Only people who stand to gain from saying so (teachers and their unions) say otherwise. And I think it’s pretty obvious now that Pparets is/was a teacher. Or is related closely to one.
After all, we all tend to think we deserve a raise.
Rob - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
Are you suggesting teachers are not professionals?
When I think of professionals I think of Doctors and Lawyers. Clearly the teaching profession is not comparable with that.
Lawyers are out proving themselves on a daily basis, not on a tenured job.
Who do you compare teachers with. Compare the working environment/hours etc to the teaching jobs. In fact the study I linked to did just that:
Using data on household median earnings from the U.S. Department of Labor, I compared teachers with seven other professional occupations: accountants, biological and life scientists, registered nurses, social workers, lawyers and judges, artists, and editors and reporters. Weekly pay for teachers in 2001 was about the same (within 10 percent) as for accountants, biological and life scientists, registered nurses, and editors and reporters, while teachers earned significantly more than social workers and artists. Only lawyers and judges earned significantly more than teachers—as one would expect, given that the educational training to become a lawyer is longer and more demanding.
I have to laugh when we’re told that sometime teachers have to bring work home. Like other people in similar jobs don’t?
The solution is to break up the school systems. Privatized schools will establish a market rather then the government monopoly we know have.
But I guess it’s just easier to say I don’t have teachers and not listen to an uncomfortable argument.
The Whistler - 02:04pm on 04/30/2008
Well, I might be slow, because I can’t quite figure this one out....
Finally since we are talking about Minot North Dakota
reconciled with this later quote of:
Lawyers are out proving themselves on a daily basis, not on a tenured job.
leads me to ask about the focus here. Are we talking North Dakota teachers, or in general, because there is not a tenured teacher in this state.
Old&InTheWay - 03:04pm on 04/30/2008
That was my point is that you can’t compare teaching jobs with jobs that don’t compare with it. I guess I should have been clearer.
So when PParents was comparing teaching with being a Doctor it was wrong.
Being an Engineer is more than just wearing those striped gray coveralls. You have to go into high level maths. Most teachers aren’t ready to do that.
Face it teachers have the best job they can get. They are well paid. They should drop the histrionics and admit it.
Tripe? Can’t argue with the facts can you?
I want to know what teachers and the public education system did to Whistler...it seems they are always a thorn in his side.
Not to be critical, but I believe the 188 days Whistler quoted is around the minimum length, but is not standard. A lot of districts contract the teachers for more. Not that a few more days makes that big of difference.
Rally I wasn’t aware of that. I got the 188 days from the GF base pay calculation.
That’s the one I’ve studied the most for obvious reasons.
I don’t have anything against teachers in general (although I wish they’d quit sending so much homework home with the kids.) However I think they are well paid, and the evidence bears that out.
I guess I do have problems with the teachers that whine about the good thing they have going.
What a sad, sad joke.
I provided two studies that showed that.
But tell you what if you think you’re underpaid the school years almost over. Go take the Engineering job you’ve been pining over.
If not engineering go take that job that pays better.
Let me know how it works out for you.
This is not true any longer
This is a requirement for all teachers
Are you suggesting teachers are not professionals?
I have to agree and it seems quite disrespectful to the many excellent teachers who blog here
The problem I have with the public education system is that it costs me and my fellow taxpayers a ton of money for doing a mediocre job.
And I’m tired of the lies about teacher pay. People (see: Pparets) try to emotionalize it, but looking at it objectively teaching jobs are among the most well-compensated in any community.
Only people who stand to gain from saying so (teachers and their unions) say otherwise. And I think it’s pretty obvious now that Pparets is/was a teacher. Or is related closely to one.
After all, we all tend to think we deserve a raise.
When I think of professionals I think of Doctors and Lawyers. Clearly the teaching profession is not comparable with that.
Lawyers are out proving themselves on a daily basis, not on a tenured job.
Who do you compare teachers with. Compare the working environment/hours etc to the teaching jobs. In fact the study I linked to did just that:
I have to laugh when we’re told that sometime teachers have to bring work home. Like other people in similar jobs don’t?
The solution is to break up the school systems. Privatized schools will establish a market rather then the government monopoly we know have.
But I guess it’s just easier to say I don’t have teachers and not listen to an uncomfortable argument.
Well, I might be slow, because I can’t quite figure this one out....
reconciled with this later quote of: leads me to ask about the focus here. Are we talking North Dakota teachers, or in general, because there is not a tenured teacher in this state.That was my point is that you can’t compare teaching jobs with jobs that don’t compare with it. I guess I should have been clearer.
So when PParents was comparing teaching with being a Doctor it was wrong.