Just updated the post with average yearly income for North Dakotans. It’s $31,000, as compared to over $50k’s in compensation for the average teacher. $42,000 in salary alone.
Well, it could be just me, but I thought the point was that comparing average salary + benifits to average salary was to say the least...misleading. To say the most, a gross over-exageration. Thank you for making the adjustment somewhat, comparing average salary of $42,000 to average state salary of $31,000. Now my question is, how does this average teacher salary of 42K, or if you want to include the bennies, $52 K, compare to that in North Dakota with a comparable education?
Old&InTheWay - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Reaching $50,000 can take 8 to 10 years.
So, Nobody starts at the top. For a college graduate starting out in Grand Forks Teaching is one of the highest paid jobs they can get.
LOL… the summer thing really bothers you doesn’t it?
No, but if you’re comparing with people that work year ‘round you have to adjust the salaries. I think the ND teachers are paid for 188 days which is about 3/4’s of a year ‘round worker.
So that teaching job making $50k would compare with a private sector job at $66,667 annually.
The Whistler - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Yeah but teachers get summers off.
They get more than just summers off. They are working part time for more than full time compensation and retire with COLA’d pensions in their fifties, in many cases!
In addition, true professionals don’t have a need for membership in labor collectives.
Kevin - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Kevin: If teachers were treated like professionals, they wouldn’t need a “labor collective”
pparets - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Of all of the professions which require a college degree - and in many states a fifth for a Master’s - teachers are the lowest paid.
Add to that, the fact that large numbers of young teachers leave college with huge student loans to pay off, and most teachers must contribute a portion of their salary to their health benefits.
Wow, Really? That’s Shocking!
I’m really really really glad that people in the private sector don’t have school loans when they graduate and take jobs that pay less. And I’m really glad that nobody in the private sector actually has to help pay for their health insurance.
Since you aren’t always quick on the uptake PP, that was sarcasm.
The Whistler - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Kevin: If teachers were treated like professionals, they wouldn’t need a “labor collective”
Professionals go out in the market and prove/earn their worth, often on a daily basis.
The Whistler - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Well, Whistler, when an engineer gets his 4-year degree, he starts at around $75,000. When a computer engineer graduates, he starts at around $65,000. A doctor, lawyer or dentist can expect to start at around $90,000. All will move swiftly up from there.
None of them takes home 2 - 3 hours of student work to correct each night or has to deal with protected disruptive students and rude, hostile ‘parents’.
Your right, I’m not always quick on the uptake. But I do try to stick to the facts. What’s your excuse?
pparets - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
None of them takes home 2 - 3 hours of student work to correct each night or has to deal with protected disruptive students and rude, hostile ‘parents’.
Weird, teachers have the only jobs that are hard sometimes and the only ones that ever take work home with them.
As it turns out most people in the teaching profession are not cut out for (and I am not either) being a Doctor. Very few are.
Why do teachers overcompare themselves rather than comparing with other jobs that are actually a possibility for their talents?
The Whistler - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Finally since we are talking about Minot North Dakota why don’t we compare with the job market in that town rather than being a computer-electrical-engineer-doctor in New York.
The Whistler - 01:04pm on 04/30/2008
Whistler:
Why do teachers overcompare...?
Duh! Because they are required to complete a 4 year degree and, in many cases, a 5 year degree just like any other profession.
A university education doesn’t cost any less for an educator than it does for an engineer, but the life-time incomes are much lower.
Your bias is obvious and I’m tired of responding to your tripe.
So, Nobody starts at the top. For a college graduate starting out in Grand Forks Teaching is one of the highest paid jobs they can get.
No, but if you’re comparing with people that work year ‘round you have to adjust the salaries. I think the ND teachers are paid for 188 days which is about 3/4’s of a year ‘round worker.
So that teaching job making $50k would compare with a private sector job at $66,667 annually.
They get more than just summers off. They are working part time for more than full time compensation and retire with COLA’d pensions in their fifties, in many cases!
In addition, true professionals don’t have a need for membership in labor collectives.
Kevin: If teachers were treated like professionals, they wouldn’t need a “labor collective”
Absolutely and completely wrong. Rob covered one study here.
I covered another study here.
Nationwide teachers are quite well paid.
Wow, Really? That’s Shocking!
I’m really really really glad that people in the private sector don’t have school loans when they graduate and take jobs that pay less. And I’m really glad that nobody in the private sector actually has to help pay for their health insurance.
Since you aren’t always quick on the uptake PP, that was sarcasm.
Professionals go out in the market and prove/earn their worth, often on a daily basis.
Well, Whistler, when an engineer gets his 4-year degree, he starts at around $75,000. When a computer engineer graduates, he starts at around $65,000. A doctor, lawyer or dentist can expect to start at around $90,000. All will move swiftly up from there.
None of them takes home 2 - 3 hours of student work to correct each night or has to deal with protected disruptive students and rude, hostile ‘parents’.
Your right, I’m not always quick on the uptake. But I do try to stick to the facts. What’s your excuse?
Weird, teachers have the only jobs that are hard sometimes and the only ones that ever take work home with them.
As it turns out most people in the teaching profession are not cut out for (and I am not either) being a Doctor. Very few are.
Why do teachers overcompare themselves rather than comparing with other jobs that are actually a possibility for their talents?
Finally since we are talking about Minot North Dakota why don’t we compare with the job market in that town rather than being a computer-electrical-engineer-doctor in New York.
Whistler:
Duh! Because they are required to complete a 4 year degree and, in many cases, a 5 year degree just like any other profession.
A university education doesn’t cost any less for an educator than it does for an engineer, but the life-time incomes are much lower.
Your bias is obvious and I’m tired of responding to your tripe.