Apples and mangoes.
You can’t compare average and median.
You can’t compare average +benefits
to median without benefits.
You need to understand the difference between, the mean
(average) and the median.
Statistics for Journalists
WOOF - 10:04am on 04/30/2008
Apples and mangoes.
You can’t compare average and median.
You can’t compare average +benefits
to median without benefits.
You need to understand the difference between, the mean
Best numbers available, Poodle, but your spin is still hilarious. I mean, we’re talking about one average teacher making more than the median household.
The comparison speaks volumes, imperfect as it is.
Rob - 11:04am on 04/30/2008
Just updated the post with average yearly income for North Dakotans. It’s $31,000, as compared to over $50k’s in compensation for the average teacher. $42,000 in salary alone.
So...what was your point again Poodle?
Rob - 11:04am on 04/30/2008
Yeah but teachers get summers off.
The Whistler - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Yeah but teachers get summers off.
LOL… the summer thing really bothers you doesn’t it?
Anna - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Actually, to be fair, you should comparee Minot teacher salaries to the income of the residents of that district. Geography can make a huge difference in both of those numbers.
For instance, here in our state, the northwest part of the state is exploding. As a result, pay for all jobs is significantly higher in that part of the state (as is the cost of living.) Were you to compare the average teacher salary in of the district’s there to the state average salary, there would be a huge difference. However, comparing it to jobs in that part of the state, the difference is significantly smaller.
Steve L. - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Note that would include school children, the retired , the unemployed, etc.
Per capita personal income is total personal income divided by total midyear population
WOOF - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Steve, there is much difference between Minot’s income numbers and the state. Most of ND’s population is concentrated in the urban areas, so the demographics there outweigh the rural citizens.
The median income for a household in the city was $32,218, and the median income for a family was $42,804.
Rob - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Of all of the professions which require a college degree - and in many states a fifth for a Master’s - teachers are the lowest paid.
Add to that, the fact that large numbers of young teachers leave college with huge student loans to pay off, and most teachers must contribute a portion of their salary to their health benefits.
BTW: Rob’s figure of 50K for teachers in ND overlooks a depressing point; the average national starting salary for a teacher is around $28,900. Reaching $50,000 can take 8 to 10 years.
pparets - 12:04pm on 04/30/2008
Note that would include school children, the retired , the unemployed, etc.
Which is why the median number is better. It counts just households with income, which is a better measure. And the average teacher in ND is making more than the median househould.
That’s significant.
But the spinning never stops, does it Poodle? Rather than admit the truth, you liberals obfuscate.
Apples and mangoes.
You can’t compare average and median.
You can’t compare average +benefits
to median without benefits.
You need to understand the difference between, the mean
(average) and the median.
Statistics for Journalists
Best numbers available, Poodle, but your spin is still hilarious. I mean, we’re talking about one average teacher making more than the median household.
The comparison speaks volumes, imperfect as it is.
Just updated the post with average yearly income for North Dakotans. It’s $31,000, as compared to over $50k’s in compensation for the average teacher. $42,000 in salary alone.
So...what was your point again Poodle?
Yeah but teachers get summers off.
LOL… the summer thing really bothers you doesn’t it?
Actually, to be fair, you should comparee Minot teacher salaries to the income of the residents of that district. Geography can make a huge difference in both of those numbers.
For instance, here in our state, the northwest part of the state is exploding. As a result, pay for all jobs is significantly higher in that part of the state (as is the cost of living.) Were you to compare the average teacher salary in of the district’s there to the state average salary, there would be a huge difference. However, comparing it to jobs in that part of the state, the difference is significantly smaller.
Note that would include school children, the retired , the unemployed, etc.
Steve, there is much difference between Minot’s income numbers and the state. Most of ND’s population is concentrated in the urban areas, so the demographics there outweigh the rural citizens.
From Wikipedia:
Of all of the professions which require a college degree - and in many states a fifth for a Master’s - teachers are the lowest paid.
Add to that, the fact that large numbers of young teachers leave college with huge student loans to pay off, and most teachers must contribute a portion of their salary to their health benefits.
BTW: Rob’s figure of 50K for teachers in ND overlooks a depressing point; the average national starting salary for a teacher is around $28,900. Reaching $50,000 can take 8 to 10 years.
Which is why the median number is better. It counts just households with income, which is a better measure. And the average teacher in ND is making more than the median househould.
That’s significant.
But the spinning never stops, does it Poodle? Rather than admit the truth, you liberals obfuscate.