I notice this sort of self-hatred a lot on the left.
Nobody is ever just a criminal, they’re always products of too little funding for welfare. Drug addicts are never just people who can’t control themselves, they’re always products of too little funding for schools.
Head-chopping, suicide-bombing terrorists are never just ideological fanatics bent on world domination, they’re just a group of people whose cultural nuances we neanderthal Americans can’t appreciate.
Rob - 05:11pm on 11/21/2005
[...] Here in America we have people like Chris Matthews who are guilty of this same sort of thing. [...]
Say Anything - North Dakota’s Most Popular P - 06:11pm on 11/21/2005
I believe that you are reading the article incorrectly. Just prior to the two phrases you bold, is the lead-in to those sentences: “as well as the political climate that has characterized his country for the past few years.” The two quotations that follow expound upon his impression of the political climate in the U.S., not on an approach to terrorism. He first refers to a lack of “robust discussion” between 9/11 and Iraq, and that the imagined participants in that discussion regard each other as evil, which is not a healthy condition for the country.
Nowhere on the page you reference does it state that Wallace was talking about terrorism. In fact, the blogger put an ellipsis over the phrases quoted! He says he wants to see the full transcript to confirm what Wallace said, but he leaves out the only part of the article that contained Wallace’s words. Mamma mia.
Well, given the way the article itself was worded and the earlier comments by Matthews posted there I’m convinced that he was talking about our international enemies. But, if you can show me the whole transcript proving your point I’ll gladly change my mind.
Ms. Malkin earns her keep living by Mr. Wilde’s observation about talking.
Not sure what Michelle Malkin has to do with all this. I know she blogged about this story. Are you saying that we’re all just mindless Malkin drones? If you are, so much for agreeing with what you think Matthews’ point was.
Rob - 08:11pm on 11/21/2005
Nowhere on the page you reference does it state that Wallace was talking about terrorism. In fact, the blogger put an ellipsis over the phrases quoted! He says he wants to see the full transcript to confirm what Wallace said, but he leaves out the only part of the article that contained Wallace’s words. Mamma mia.
Ms. Malkin earns her keep living by Mr. Wilde’s observation about talking.
modern instances - 08:11pm on 11/21/2005
[...] This was sent by Chris Matthews to the folks at Powerline in response to some controversial comments he made up in Canada: I told the students that the way to deal with terrorists is the way Golda Meir did after the attack on the Israeli Olympic athletes: hunt them down and kill them one at a time and be rough about it. [...]
Say Anything - North Dakota’s Most Popular P - 05:11pm on 11/22/2005
There is something that has held true for many centuries. Those on the right thrive on fear, and those on the left thrive on ignorance. Both are driven by moral values, The bush administration has used 911 to manipulate the american public like so many cattle herders. In the uk we’ve had terrorism for years, 3000 dead as a result of IRA attacks, we know the score. So here’s the deal, there IS no independant coverage of anything Stateside, as i notice every time i venture there during business, everything has a political angle of approach-- In iraq, the absolute disregard for human (iraqi) life shown by americans with respect to ‘civilian casualties’ has lead to the insurgents being supported by local militia. Indeed, how many ‘WAR videos’ of iraqi’s being blown apart do you see on the web. The British troops out there, having had experience with terrorism before have realised that to win over the local support of people you have to stop blowing them up, and actually treat them like people. Terrorists believe what they are doing is right, same as american soldiers, the individuals believe they are fighting for God, and that they are going to win. When the US has ‘accidentally’ killed 30-50 000 civilians due to what most military experts regard as crass indifference to ordnance usage.
Please just fucking grow up, you’re making our job a lot harder in iraq by failing to understand that whether you kill a man by accident, or because you’re a terrorist, or because you are piloting a completely invulnerable F-16, those people still die.
Get your fundamentalist christian ‘good vs evil’ rubbish out of your childlike mind and realise that in a war, EVERYONE believes they are good, and consequently, everyone may commit evil. The reason for iraq in the first place, or indeed, any interest in the middle east is because it’s an oil reserve unmatched anywhere.
I support the war, passionately, and let no one call me a leftie, i am proud of the job the troops out there are doing, and indeed, proud of the fact that one day there will be a stable democracy. But remember, if you had seen an errant bomb drop kill your family, if you had seen american soldiers jeer as they killed people who they assumed were insurgents, but really hadn’t taken the time to make sure, you would side with them too. America is not regarded by the world any longer as a bastion of ‘good’. It is regarded as a nation where people are too brainwashed by the completely commercialised media to understand that their perceptions of ‘good vs evil’ are just as influenced as anything else.
Terrorists take civilian life deliberately, americans kill MORE people by accident. Yet to you, one is good, and the other is evil. This war is a necessary one, but it’s not a fight for freedom, it is a fight to keep our nations from grinding to a halt from lack of sustainable oil reserves. That immediately removes the right of any coalition members to claim this is somehow a fight of right vs wrong, at the end of the day, the person with the biggest weapons will prevail, not the most sanctimonious brainwashed bovine.
I notice this sort of self-hatred a lot on the left.
Nobody is ever just a criminal, they’re always products of too little funding for welfare. Drug addicts are never just people who can’t control themselves, they’re always products of too little funding for schools.
Head-chopping, suicide-bombing terrorists are never just ideological fanatics bent on world domination, they’re just a group of people whose cultural nuances we neanderthal Americans can’t appreciate.
[...] Here in America we have people like Chris Matthews who are guilty of this same sort of thing. [...]
I believe that you are reading the article incorrectly. Just prior to the two phrases you bold, is the lead-in to those sentences: “as well as the political climate that has characterized his country for the past few years.” The two quotations that follow expound upon his impression of the political climate in the U.S., not on an approach to terrorism. He first refers to a lack of “robust discussion” between 9/11 and Iraq, and that the imagined participants in that discussion regard each other as evil, which is not a healthy condition for the country.
I’d have to agree with him on both counts.
My god, Michelle Malkin is a marketing genius.
You’re wrong, MI. Matthews was talking about international enemies, not domestic political opponents.
What is that supposed to mean?
Well, given the way the article itself was worded and the earlier comments by Matthews posted there I’m convinced that he was talking about our international enemies. But, if you can show me the whole transcript proving your point I’ll gladly change my mind.
Not sure what Michelle Malkin has to do with all this. I know she blogged about this story. Are you saying that we’re all just mindless Malkin drones? If you are, so much for agreeing with what you think Matthews’ point was.
Nowhere on the page you reference does it state that Wallace was talking about terrorism. In fact, the blogger put an ellipsis over the phrases quoted! He says he wants to see the full transcript to confirm what Wallace said, but he leaves out the only part of the article that contained Wallace’s words. Mamma mia.
Ms. Malkin earns her keep living by Mr. Wilde’s observation about talking.
[...] This was sent by Chris Matthews to the folks at Powerline in response to some controversial comments he made up in Canada: I told the students that the way to deal with terrorists is the way Golda Meir did after the attack on the Israeli Olympic athletes: hunt them down and kill them one at a time and be rough about it. [...]
There is something that has held true for many centuries. Those on the right thrive on fear, and those on the left thrive on ignorance. Both are driven by moral values, The bush administration has used 911 to manipulate the american public like so many cattle herders. In the uk we’ve had terrorism for years, 3000 dead as a result of IRA attacks, we know the score. So here’s the deal, there IS no independant coverage of anything Stateside, as i notice every time i venture there during business, everything has a political angle of approach-- In iraq, the absolute disregard for human (iraqi) life shown by americans with respect to ‘civilian casualties’ has lead to the insurgents being supported by local militia. Indeed, how many ‘WAR videos’ of iraqi’s being blown apart do you see on the web. The British troops out there, having had experience with terrorism before have realised that to win over the local support of people you have to stop blowing them up, and actually treat them like people. Terrorists believe what they are doing is right, same as american soldiers, the individuals believe they are fighting for God, and that they are going to win. When the US has ‘accidentally’ killed 30-50 000 civilians due to what most military experts regard as crass indifference to ordnance usage.
Please just fucking grow up, you’re making our job a lot harder in iraq by failing to understand that whether you kill a man by accident, or because you’re a terrorist, or because you are piloting a completely invulnerable F-16, those people still die.
Get your fundamentalist christian ‘good vs evil’ rubbish out of your childlike mind and realise that in a war, EVERYONE believes they are good, and consequently, everyone may commit evil. The reason for iraq in the first place, or indeed, any interest in the middle east is because it’s an oil reserve unmatched anywhere.
I support the war, passionately, and let no one call me a leftie, i am proud of the job the troops out there are doing, and indeed, proud of the fact that one day there will be a stable democracy. But remember, if you had seen an errant bomb drop kill your family, if you had seen american soldiers jeer as they killed people who they assumed were insurgents, but really hadn’t taken the time to make sure, you would side with them too. America is not regarded by the world any longer as a bastion of ‘good’. It is regarded as a nation where people are too brainwashed by the completely commercialised media to understand that their perceptions of ‘good vs evil’ are just as influenced as anything else.
Terrorists take civilian life deliberately, americans kill MORE people by accident. Yet to you, one is good, and the other is evil. This war is a necessary one, but it’s not a fight for freedom, it is a fight to keep our nations from grinding to a halt from lack of sustainable oil reserves. That immediately removes the right of any coalition members to claim this is somehow a fight of right vs wrong, at the end of the day, the person with the biggest weapons will prevail, not the most sanctimonious brainwashed bovine.
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