Actually, it kills blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses. People don’t live in wombs.
modern instances - 11:08am on 08/24/2005
Call them different names, those are still human lives.
Rob - 11:08am on 08/24/2005
This is irrelevant, though some are already using this to support their pro-abortion views.
Hasn’t kept anti-abortion activist from singing the “fetal pain” song.
modern instances - 11:08am on 08/24/2005
Well, if fetal pain exists (and really I have no idea if it does or not) its yet another reason to ban abortion on top of the already good-enough reason of it, you know, kills people.
Rob - 11:08am on 08/24/2005
It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.
Thank you for making the number one argument for abortion: selfishness.
Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home–that’s no life for an innocent child.
So it is better for that kid to be dead? What kind of argument is that?
I did what I thought was the best thing…let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system.
Somehow, I really doubt that an aborted baby becomes a guardian angel over the mother who aborted it.
No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.
Cop out.
likwidshoe - 06:08am on 08/25/2005
If a girl has been raped, she shouldn’t be made to have a child that she doesn’t want. Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home–that’s no life for an innocent child.
This is an area I’ve had trouble with in the past, but the conclusion I’ve arrived at is this: An unborn child shouldn’t be killed because of the ill-actions of another. Further, the idea that a child might have a hard life once it is born isn’t a good enough reason to see that child’s life ended before it even begins.
It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas.
I’d heard of this somewhere else, and perhaps its true. I don’t really know. I do know that there are millions on adoption waiting lists in this country and millions of abortions every year. Seems like a lot of those babies could have been given a life with adopted parents. And I still don’t feel that the potential for a hard life is enough to justify ending that life. Nor do I think that anti-abortion ideas are “crazy.”
People kill roaches and rats and other living things with no problem, regardless of religious teaching. It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.
This is the biggest difference between you and I. I see the unborn child as a life. You see it as a mass of cells. And, not to be offensive or anything, I kind of think you see it that way because its easier to think of the child you aborted as a mass of cells than a life.
Rob - 06:08am on 08/25/2005
*stepping onto soap box, skip this post if you’d rather*
I see what you mean about those being human lives, but one has to give some credit to modern is saying. People kill roaches and rats and other living things with no problem, regardless of religious teaching. It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe. In theory I don’t support abortion, but there are always exceptions. If a girl has been raped, she shouldn’t be made to have a child that she doesn’t want. Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home--that’s no life for an innocent child. It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas. I really want to see someone tell me how it feels to be raped when you’re 15 by a member of your family, and get pregnant. I know first hand because I’ve been there. I did what I thought was the best thing...let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system. No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.
*now stepping off of soap box*
natasha - 06:08am on 08/25/2005
I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids.
Ain’t that the sad truth.
Again, I digress…I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again…it’s already done, and I can’t change that.
You’re alright natasha.
likwidshoe - 07:08am on 08/25/2005
likwidshoe, not to be rude, but do you have any idea what it feels like to be raped...especially by the person that is responsible for you being alive??? That in itself is a spiritual and mental death. I was damn near dead by the end of that whole thing, and that’s because I was carrying a child. It wasn’t just “oh la da da, I can have another”. I WILL die (like, no longer living!!) if I get pregnant again. I almost died because of that baby. If I had died, the baby would have died too...so it would have been two parents killing their children--and what’s worse, killing two children or killing one? I did what I had to do man, and I’m sorry if that offends. Please don’t sit there and think that I’m all gung ho about abortion. That is not the case. I just want to make sure that when it is medically necessary (like both the mother and baby will die), it is available. It shouldn’t be available in too many other cases though. I know it sounds like I’m contradicting myself, but I needed to let people know that there is a face behind abortion--and I’m not a bad person because I didn’t want two of us to die. If it could have been that just me died, I would have done that and let the baby live.
natasha - 07:08am on 08/25/2005
I’m just speaking from my experience. I agree with most of what you are saying. My point is that there are extremes. If you had a uterus, I really don’t think you’d want your father’s sperm all up in it....hmm. I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids. Again, I digress...I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again...it’s already done, and I can’t change that.
Actually, it kills blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses. People don’t live in wombs.
Call them different names, those are still human lives.
Hasn’t kept anti-abortion activist from singing the “fetal pain” song.
Well, if fetal pain exists (and really I have no idea if it does or not) its yet another reason to ban abortion on top of the already good-enough reason of it, you know, kills people.
It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe.
Thank you for making the number one argument for abortion: selfishness.
Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home–that’s no life for an innocent child.
So it is better for that kid to be dead? What kind of argument is that?
I did what I thought was the best thing…let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system.
Somehow, I really doubt that an aborted baby becomes a guardian angel over the mother who aborted it.
No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.
Cop out.
This is an area I’ve had trouble with in the past, but the conclusion I’ve arrived at is this: An unborn child shouldn’t be killed because of the ill-actions of another. Further, the idea that a child might have a hard life once it is born isn’t a good enough reason to see that child’s life ended before it even begins.
I’d heard of this somewhere else, and perhaps its true. I don’t really know. I do know that there are millions on adoption waiting lists in this country and millions of abortions every year. Seems like a lot of those babies could have been given a life with adopted parents. And I still don’t feel that the potential for a hard life is enough to justify ending that life. Nor do I think that anti-abortion ideas are “crazy.”
This is the biggest difference between you and I. I see the unborn child as a life. You see it as a mass of cells. And, not to be offensive or anything, I kind of think you see it that way because its easier to think of the child you aborted as a mass of cells than a life.
*stepping onto soap box, skip this post if you’d rather*
I see what you mean about those being human lives, but one has to give some credit to modern is saying. People kill roaches and rats and other living things with no problem, regardless of religious teaching. It is true that we are ending a human life when performing an abortion, but I would rather end the lives of some cells with no established nervous system than raise some bastard child that I would loathe. In theory I don’t support abortion, but there are always exceptions. If a girl has been raped, she shouldn’t be made to have a child that she doesn’t want. Also, mistakes do happen, and people say “put the baby up for adoption”, but there is no guarantee that the child would be adopted, and there is always the chance of being bounced from foster home to foster home--that’s no life for an innocent child. It’s a proven fact that ethnic children (especially Black babies and older children) don’t get adopted as much as other races, so that’s potential for a whole generation of bastardized children who were forced into this world because of people’s crazy ideas. I really want to see someone tell me how it feels to be raped when you’re 15 by a member of your family, and get pregnant. I know first hand because I’ve been there. I did what I thought was the best thing...let the baby become my guardian angel rather than raise it in sub-standard conditions or leave it to a shaky adoption system. No, abortion shouldn’t be used as birth control, but until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, you realy can’t comment on their circumstances and the choices they have and will continue to make.
*now stepping off of soap box*
I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids.
Ain’t that the sad truth.
Again, I digress…I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again…it’s already done, and I can’t change that.
You’re alright natasha.
likwidshoe, not to be rude, but do you have any idea what it feels like to be raped...especially by the person that is responsible for you being alive??? That in itself is a spiritual and mental death. I was damn near dead by the end of that whole thing, and that’s because I was carrying a child. It wasn’t just “oh la da da, I can have another”. I WILL die (like, no longer living!!) if I get pregnant again. I almost died because of that baby. If I had died, the baby would have died too...so it would have been two parents killing their children--and what’s worse, killing two children or killing one? I did what I had to do man, and I’m sorry if that offends. Please don’t sit there and think that I’m all gung ho about abortion. That is not the case. I just want to make sure that when it is medically necessary (like both the mother and baby will die), it is available. It shouldn’t be available in too many other cases though. I know it sounds like I’m contradicting myself, but I needed to let people know that there is a face behind abortion--and I’m not a bad person because I didn’t want two of us to die. If it could have been that just me died, I would have done that and let the baby live.
I’m just speaking from my experience. I agree with most of what you are saying. My point is that there are extremes. If you had a uterus, I really don’t think you’d want your father’s sperm all up in it....hmm. I don’t want to kill kids, but I also don’t want to spend more tax money on the already infintely large foster care system, which doesn’t work. If it worked, people wouldn’t be all in Russia and Asia looking for kids. Again, I digress...I know you don’t agree with what I did, but please know that I wouldn’t do it again...it’s already done, and I can’t change that.