Our Founding Father’s foresaw an indissoluble link between our Christian Faith and our Liberty and our Laws, and without that link they declared this nation would not long stand. But, some comenting here believe they possess greater wisdom than our Founding Fathers.
“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: ‘that God governs in the affairs of men.’ And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?” - Benjamin Franklin
“Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be entrusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any government secure which is not supported by moral habits.... Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.” - Daniel Webster
“If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.” - Ronald Reagan
“I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am perfectly satisfied that the Union of the States in its form and adoption is as much the work of a Devine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testaments.” - Benjamin Rush
“There is not a truth to be gathered form history more certain, or more momentous, than this: that civil liberty cannot long be separated from religious liberty without danger, and ultimately without destruction to both. Wherever religious liberty exists, it will, first or last, bring in and establish political liberty.” - Joseph Story, Congressman and Supreme Court Justice
“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority for that law which is divine...far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.” - James Wilson (signatory of the Constitution)
“(T)he propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained” - George Washington, First Inaugural, April 30 1789
Neiman - 06:01pm on 01/23/2008
The 1973 decision Roe v Wade was based on doctors testimony from the technology of the time. Today the technology we have proves that the fetus is much more than a “blob of cells”. Anyone who believes abortion is a blob of cells up until the 3rd month is kidding themselves! It is a self centered, selfish act that is used to interrupt a pregnancy. Prevention or contraception is usually avoided by abortionist’s. Aborting a pregnancy should be few and far between. AND only used to protect the mothers life. BUT instead multi millions of abortions have been preformed and the true beneficiaries are the abortion clinics who rake in BIG money! Try getting an abortion at Planned Parenthood without money! It won’t happen.
Zsa Zsa - 07:01pm on 01/23/2008
Zsa Zsa: Thanks, good stuff!
New Planned Parenthood Commercial:
“Forgot the contraceptives, too lazy to make the guy put on a condemn? Hey a baby is inconvenient right now, you can’t afford a kid, but hey you are knocked up baby. Don’t worry, we’ll kill the little bastard for you and hey, we’ll call it “choice! Oh, and guess what, we’ll make the taxpayers pay for your fun!”
It should be available to save the life of the mother, that would make it available and safe, but rare.
Neiman - 07:01pm on 01/23/2008
It should be available to save the life of the mother, that would make it available and safe, but rare.
so killing babies is ok then?
realitybasedbob - 07:01pm on 01/23/2008
In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court DID NOT affirm a constitutional right to an abortion. The court ruled that anti-abortion laws placed an undue burden on a woman’s right to privacy, as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. The difference is substantial.
The tortured logic of the court only confirms why we must do everything we can to elect a republican president and continue the nomination of strict constructionist judges to the bench begun last year by President Bush. Former president George H. W. Bush demonstrated it can be done, even with a democtratic majority in the senate.
More than anything else, this election is about the Supreme Court.
pparets - 07:01pm on 01/23/2008
Move_Zig: out of pure curiosity, does Betty Friedan really support pro-choice?! I know she’s all about the choice of women, but is she about this?
dirl126 on January 23, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I suppose if one plugs her name into a search engine, you may find your answer. Thus:
Betty Friedan is best known for her feminist classic, The Feminine Mystique.The book played a tremendous role in sparking second wave feminism. The 1963 best seller made the point that women are people too, or that women are more than merely the mothers, sisters and wives of men. It was a point that both law and custom denied.
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Friedan was one of the founders of the National Organization for Women (NOW), the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (NARAL) and the National Women’s Political Caucus. She served as the first president of NOW.
Further search would give you a more detailed answer to include whether the partial birth murder method was included under her concept of ‘choice,’ but I’ll leave that up to you. Report back to us with your results by tomorrow morning.
And no cheating, don’t try calling Betty herself. She’s roasting down in Hell, having died at the age of 85.
Ding Dong....
Move_Zig - 09:01pm on 01/23/2008
Right on brohta!
Marty - 10:01pm on 01/23/2008
Hairy Polemic - I vote conservative because conservatives are about small government, and all that pro-life nonsense = the democrats’ populist universal healthcare nonesense.
That’s silly.
I liken abortion to an innocent death. One of government’s proper roles is preventing innocent deaths, especially one as egregious as a killed innocent death.
In light of this, the “keep the government away from our bodies” claim is narcissistically self absorbed. We’re talking about someone else‘s body here. This is an important distinction that is usually lost among the self proclaimed “pro-choice”.
likwidshoe - 02:01am on 01/24/2008
Hairy Polemic - We (ideally) don’t legislate morality, if we did, we would be citizens of a theocracy, not a democracy.
Wait, huh? Are you telling us that morality is in the sole province of religions? Do you know what that word means?
You say that you “didn’t intend to have a moral debate” and then you tell us that you “don’t care if abortionists are killing a mass of tissues or a human being.” As if you don’t expect some kind of moral response to that garbage.
You’re a confused chap.
likwidshoe - 02:01am on 01/24/2008
Reality Bob, There are a few times when a woman is pregnant that it will be impossible for her to have the baby. An ectopic pregnancy is outside the uterus and inside the fallopian tube. This type of pregnancy makes it impossible for the baby to live and also will kill the mother. This is one example of where aborting the pregnancy is necessary.
Our Founding Father’s foresaw an indissoluble link between our Christian Faith and our Liberty and our Laws, and without that link they declared this nation would not long stand. But, some comenting here believe they possess greater wisdom than our Founding Fathers.
“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: ‘that God governs in the affairs of men.’ And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?” - Benjamin Franklin
“Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be entrusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any government secure which is not supported by moral habits.... Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.” - Daniel Webster
“If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.” - Ronald Reagan
“I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am perfectly satisfied that the Union of the States in its form and adoption is as much the work of a Devine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testaments.” - Benjamin Rush
“There is not a truth to be gathered form history more certain, or more momentous, than this: that civil liberty cannot long be separated from religious liberty without danger, and ultimately without destruction to both. Wherever religious liberty exists, it will, first or last, bring in and establish political liberty.” - Joseph Story, Congressman and Supreme Court Justice
“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority for that law which is divine...far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.” - James Wilson (signatory of the Constitution)
“(T)he propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained” - George Washington, First Inaugural, April 30 1789
The 1973 decision Roe v Wade was based on doctors testimony from the technology of the time. Today the technology we have proves that the fetus is much more than a “blob of cells”. Anyone who believes abortion is a blob of cells up until the 3rd month is kidding themselves! It is a self centered, selfish act that is used to interrupt a pregnancy. Prevention or contraception is usually avoided by abortionist’s. Aborting a pregnancy should be few and far between. AND only used to protect the mothers life. BUT instead multi millions of abortions have been preformed and the true beneficiaries are the abortion clinics who rake in BIG money! Try getting an abortion at Planned Parenthood without money! It won’t happen.
Zsa Zsa: Thanks, good stuff!
New Planned Parenthood Commercial:
“Forgot the contraceptives, too lazy to make the guy put on a condemn? Hey a baby is inconvenient right now, you can’t afford a kid, but hey you are knocked up baby. Don’t worry, we’ll kill the little bastard for you and hey, we’ll call it “choice! Oh, and guess what, we’ll make the taxpayers pay for your fun!”
It should be available to save the life of the mother, that would make it available and safe, but rare.
so killing babies is ok then?
In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court DID NOT affirm a constitutional right to an abortion. The court ruled that anti-abortion laws placed an undue burden on a woman’s right to privacy, as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment. The difference is substantial.
The tortured logic of the court only confirms why we must do everything we can to elect a republican president and continue the nomination of strict constructionist judges to the bench begun last year by President Bush. Former president George H. W. Bush demonstrated it can be done, even with a democtratic majority in the senate.
More than anything else, this election is about the Supreme Court.
I suppose if one plugs her name into a search engine, you may find your answer. Thus:
Further search would give you a more detailed answer to include whether the partial birth murder method was included under her concept of ‘choice,’ but I’ll leave that up to you. Report back to us with your results by tomorrow morning.
And no cheating, don’t try calling Betty herself. She’s roasting down in Hell, having died at the age of 85.
Ding Dong....
Right on brohta!
Hairy Polemic - I vote conservative because conservatives are about small government, and all that pro-life nonsense = the democrats’ populist universal healthcare nonesense.
That’s silly.
I liken abortion to an innocent death. One of government’s proper roles is preventing innocent deaths, especially one as egregious as a killed innocent death.
In light of this, the “keep the government away from our bodies” claim is narcissistically self absorbed. We’re talking about someone else‘s body here. This is an important distinction that is usually lost among the self proclaimed “pro-choice”.
Hairy Polemic - We (ideally) don’t legislate morality, if we did, we would be citizens of a theocracy, not a democracy.
Wait, huh? Are you telling us that morality is in the sole province of religions? Do you know what that word means?
You say that you “didn’t intend to have a moral debate” and then you tell us that you “don’t care if abortionists are killing a mass of tissues or a human being.” As if you don’t expect some kind of moral response to that garbage.
You’re a confused chap.
Reality Bob, There are a few times when a woman is pregnant that it will be impossible for her to have the baby. An ectopic pregnancy is outside the uterus and inside the fallopian tube. This type of pregnancy makes it impossible for the baby to live and also will kill the mother. This is one example of where aborting the pregnancy is necessary.