Kens exactly right about the Supreme Court ruling but in addition to that it turns out that most of us ARE in the militia according to US Code.
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
The link is the US House of Representatives website.
The Whistler - 05:09am on 09/19/2007
4. give a teacher a gun and there is a good chance you will be paying fewer administrative salaries.
LOL, that is an excellent point!
Anna - 06:09am on 09/19/2007
The question stated was intended to provoke a higher level of discussion or thinking
Stupid questions to provoke a ”higher level of discussion or thinking”? Good luck with that! Socratic it ain’t!
It would be cheaper and contain far fewer liabilities to hire armed security than to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.
”It would be cheaper”...unless someone on the staff was already knowledgeable and proficient with a weapon.
“...contain far fewer liabilities...” Really? When was the last time you saw an armed guard at a bank? Are you talking rent-a-cop? School police? What about the liabilities of our current police forces who are sued frequently by the populace. On another thread, there is speculation that the nimrod who was tasered at the Kerry speech will sue over that mild kerfluffle!
“...to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.” You misunderstand the nature of deterrence! You do not need to arm every teacher. You allow for the possibility that every teacher might be armed. That uncertainty itself is a deterrence to violence.
For you to imply that every kindergarten reading teacher has to become Rambo is the type of reductio ad absurdum, which in your eyes, will miraculously lead to a ”higher level of discussion or thinking! Abrasive enough for you?
(It’s the avatar! I used to be much kinder and gentler before I got the Death Car!)
Proof - 06:09am on 09/19/2007
1. do they need to be secured while at school?
where?
loaded?
2. do teachers need to be competent with the firearm?
and we will pay for the training how?
just “imagine” if people actually read the article. did you miss the part where this woman has a concealed weapons permit? which means that: a) it would be secured on her person; b) she’s quite competent with it; and c) there’s no “we” paying for training, she did that already. welcome to the “higher level of discussion,” moron.
Daniel - 06:09am on 09/19/2007
BTW: Safe gun handling does not take very long to learn. Most cops don’t do very much shooting at all.
Hiring armed security guards is very stupid. You either have low paid high turnover or you have cop wannabe’s who couldn’t make it.
In the Red Lake school shooting the jerk first shot his grandpa who was a cop then went to school. The first one he shot was the security guard.
Who’s better to protect the kids than the teachers that are IN the rooms and probably know most of the kids.
Cops are much more likely to shoot the wrong person when they respond to a robbery than the home or business owner. That only makes sense because the cop only shows up on the scene and has fractions of a second to decide who’s the good guys and who’s the bad guys.
The Whistler - 06:09am on 09/19/2007
I think that the school systems should encourage teachers to be armed and provide additional training and even lockboxes in the classrooms.
School shootings happen because the scum know that no one can fight back.
In Israel they recruited retired people to patrol the schools and they eliminated terrorist activities there.
The Whistler - 06:09am on 09/19/2007
It seems to me that many of you would do well to get a carry permit and learn what’s involved. For starters, most states have four basic rules for using a firearm legally carried:
1. Must retreat if practical (good idea even if not required)
2. No lesser force will suffice to stop the threat.
3. Must have imminent fear of death or grievous bodily injury.
4. Use of force must stop when the threat is stopped.
Carry permits are typically issued only to those who pass a basic marksmanship test, and you’d be surprised how well a pistol can be concealed. No student need ever know his teacher is packing heat.
Robert Perry - 08:09am on 09/19/2007
As a parent I would like fewer guns in school not more...The number of school shootings is on the rise and is of obvious concern. Percentage wise schools are very safe....yes, one shooting in one school is to much...not to mention the fighting, stabbing, drugs etc.....planes crash we don’t stop flying....
Since Columbine public schools have changed considerably (secure doors, guarded entrance, camera’s, lock down drills etc.. there are procedures in place for a variety of situations)
We bantered a lot over this topic but the real truth is that in a crisis situation there is no telling how “real people” will react. Those with the most swager may wet themselves and run for the nearest exit, while others will ‘step up’. This is far to important an issue to just have teachers packing heat.
The required training would need to be much more than “gun safety” or even the requirmements to be “concealed”.
Do a you tube search on gun in school and see what you come up with…
In school I would like fewer guns around my 6 year old, not more.
imagine - 09:09am on 09/19/2007
I have a concealed weapons permit and I can out shoot a lot of guys but aside from that I attended school to become a teacher and not a soldier or police officer. The last thing I want to do is have one more thing to worry about while teaching a classroom or 40 plus 14 to 18 year old students. As for concealing the weapon, sorry to inform y’all but unless I am wearing coat I can not hide anything on me.
I say forget the weapons and demand obedience from our children. Their cry for protecting their civil rights is costing them a quality education.
Where are the civil rights of the public teachers?
Anna - 09:09am on 09/19/2007
As a parent I would like fewer guns in school not more...The number of school shootings is on the rise and is of obvious concern
Imagine, think about that for a moment. Currently there are no sanctioned guns in schools. Every single school shooting is the result of students or outsiders bringing guns into the school and using them to mow down the unarmed masses in that school.
You can’t blame school shootings on guns in schools because there are no guns in school now. Except those brought by people intending to use them to murder.
Kens exactly right about the Supreme Court ruling but in addition to that it turns out that most of us ARE in the militia according to US Code.
The link is the US House of Representatives website.
LOL, that is an excellent point!
”It would be cheaper”...unless someone on the staff was already knowledgeable and proficient with a weapon.
“...contain far fewer liabilities...” Really? When was the last time you saw an armed guard at a bank? Are you talking rent-a-cop? School police? What about the liabilities of our current police forces who are sued frequently by the populace. On another thread, there is speculation that the nimrod who was tasered at the Kerry speech will sue over that mild kerfluffle!
“...to expect firearm training of someone hired to teach our children to read.” You misunderstand the nature of deterrence! You do not need to arm every teacher. You allow for the possibility that every teacher might be armed. That uncertainty itself is a deterrence to violence.
For you to imply that every kindergarten reading teacher has to become Rambo is the type of reductio ad absurdum, which in your eyes, will miraculously lead to a ”higher level of discussion or thinking! Abrasive enough for you?
(It’s the avatar! I used to be much kinder and gentler before I got the Death Car!)
just “imagine” if people actually read the article. did you miss the part where this woman has a concealed weapons permit? which means that: a) it would be secured on her person; b) she’s quite competent with it; and c) there’s no “we” paying for training, she did that already. welcome to the “higher level of discussion,” moron.
BTW: Safe gun handling does not take very long to learn. Most cops don’t do very much shooting at all.
Hiring armed security guards is very stupid. You either have low paid high turnover or you have cop wannabe’s who couldn’t make it.
In the Red Lake school shooting the jerk first shot his grandpa who was a cop then went to school. The first one he shot was the security guard.
Who’s better to protect the kids than the teachers that are IN the rooms and probably know most of the kids.
Cops are much more likely to shoot the wrong person when they respond to a robbery than the home or business owner. That only makes sense because the cop only shows up on the scene and has fractions of a second to decide who’s the good guys and who’s the bad guys.
I think that the school systems should encourage teachers to be armed and provide additional training and even lockboxes in the classrooms.
School shootings happen because the scum know that no one can fight back.
In Israel they recruited retired people to patrol the schools and they eliminated terrorist activities there.
It seems to me that many of you would do well to get a carry permit and learn what’s involved. For starters, most states have four basic rules for using a firearm legally carried:
1. Must retreat if practical (good idea even if not required)
2. No lesser force will suffice to stop the threat.
3. Must have imminent fear of death or grievous bodily injury.
4. Use of force must stop when the threat is stopped.
Carry permits are typically issued only to those who pass a basic marksmanship test, and you’d be surprised how well a pistol can be concealed. No student need ever know his teacher is packing heat.
As a parent I would like fewer guns in school not more...The number of school shootings is on the rise and is of obvious concern. Percentage wise schools are very safe....yes, one shooting in one school is to much...not to mention the fighting, stabbing, drugs etc.....planes crash we don’t stop flying....
Since Columbine public schools have changed considerably (secure doors, guarded entrance, camera’s, lock down drills etc.. there are procedures in place for a variety of situations)
We bantered a lot over this topic but the real truth is that in a crisis situation there is no telling how “real people” will react. Those with the most swager may wet themselves and run for the nearest exit, while others will ‘step up’. This is far to important an issue to just have teachers packing heat.
The required training would need to be much more than “gun safety” or even the requirmements to be “concealed”.
Do a you tube search on gun in school and see what you come up with…
In school I would like fewer guns around my 6 year old, not more.
I have a concealed weapons permit and I can out shoot a lot of guys but aside from that I attended school to become a teacher and not a soldier or police officer. The last thing I want to do is have one more thing to worry about while teaching a classroom or 40 plus 14 to 18 year old students. As for concealing the weapon, sorry to inform y’all but unless I am wearing coat I can not hide anything on me.
I say forget the weapons and demand obedience from our children. Their cry for protecting their civil rights is costing them a quality education.
Where are the civil rights of the public teachers?
Imagine, think about that for a moment. Currently there are no sanctioned guns in schools. Every single school shooting is the result of students or outsiders bringing guns into the school and using them to mow down the unarmed masses in that school.
You can’t blame school shootings on guns in schools because there are no guns in school now. Except those brought by people intending to use them to murder.