Sex affects Women and Men in different ways. Women become emotionally tied to the man they have sex with, in general. Men do not become emotionally tied to the woman they have sex with. Sex
Holding off on having sex until marriage allows a woman to develop a strong, long lasting emotional tie to their husband. This emotional tie generates a strong family which is profoundly important to the development of children.
Seth Yantiss - 10:07am on 07/13/2005
Its not so much about the sex or the moralities surrouding it, Don, its about encouraging reckless behavior. “Screw Abstinence” tells our kids what? To hell with it? Just go have sex? We’re not even talking about which to stress more, safe sex vs. abstinence ed. here, we’re talking about taking abstinence and just throwing it out the window.
Regardless of your stance on abortion, wouldn’t a better approach be to encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough to deal with the consequences of having it? Because the whole abortionist stance is to make abortions “safe, legal and rare,” right?
Well they won’t exactly be rare if we’re “screwing” abstinence.
Rob - 10:07am on 07/13/2005
How about teaching them that sex is natural, pleasurable, and good for you?
That there are choices other than sex-for-procreation-only and celibacy?
Here’s a nutty idea---do the moral instruction at home or church, and use health class to provide ACCURATE information about their bodies and their choices!
Don Myers - 10:07am on 07/13/2005
While this group is obviously having a little fun with the name of their get together, the point is that abstinence-only programs that do not provide information on protection are not only naive but damaging. Those who support abstinence-only programs cannot be surprised that oral and anal sex are now not considered to be sex by today’s teens.
modern instances - 10:07am on 07/13/2005
That’s simply not true, Seth---but since you’re still babbling about “a woman’s true nature,” I don’t expect you to be joining the 21th Century anytime soon.
Don Myers - 11:07am on 07/13/2005
Tap tap tap
You kids in the back off the car,
put on your pants , step out of the vehicle.
I want to talk to you about abstinace.
Your mother already told you?
Your father already told you?
“ yeah but we get carried away”
Who is that other kid in the car?
“That’s my brother, he just likes to watch.”
WOOF - 11:07am on 07/13/2005
Seth:
I don’t have or WANT a family structure exactly like your grandparents had, with a subservient wife pumping out babies for her god, the party, and her husband. Insisting that your model is the best and/or only model for healthy families is prudery at best, bigotry at worse.
Rob:
Firs of all, to “encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough” is a one-size-fits-all approach, and sex is so much more complex than that (thank the goddess!)
Secondly, teaching them the truth about birth control and their own bodies is the smart thing to do regardless of your own attitude towards sex.
Finally, I believe abortion should be available on demand, without charge, in complete confidentiality, and without apology. I realize that I’m out of the mainstream on this one---but I remain hopeful that America may someday leave the 18th century and embrace my Highly Evolved World View (tm).
Don Myers - 11:07am on 07/13/2005
Don, the long term effects of your ideology can been seen today in Africa. Rampant disease and ignorant children is what you are promoting. Try and think outside the box and imagine a world where promiscuity without consequence exist. Women would be at odds with their nature, which is to become emotionally attached to their partner and their children. In your world view, women would have to become as emotionless as men… This is just not possible without some serious after-effects. Women are emotional beings, while men are analytical beings. We work together because we compliment each other. Your view changes this dynamic… It would be like having two North poles on a magnet. It just won’t work.
But hey… we live in a country where we can make our own choices and see the results… Considering that the VAST majority of drug addicts, homeless, indigent, etc are from BROKEN families… I think your way sucks.
But you go on preaching that your way is better…
As for the free, confidential, abortion on demand… I would like to see your brain go through the same procedure. What a looser thing to preach… really.
Seth Yantiss - 11:07am on 07/13/2005
Except that it is a woman’s true nature to become emotionally entangled in a relationship. We can believe what we want, but there is no mistaking that empty feeling you get when you wake up to an empty bed that had someone in it last night--someone who won’t ever call again.
Regardless of what women might want to believe, there are fundamental differnences between the sexes. The object shouldn’t be to rid ourselves of them, but to celebrate them. But that’s not what the modern feminist ideology teaches. To say that the world would be served by making sex emotionless leads to a total lack of personal responsibility, and an incredible ignorance. While complete abstinence education might be too much of a shelter for kids, merely sending them into the world, not explaining to them that there are both emotional and physical results fror, and a context to sexual intercourse breeds a very similar ignorance--an ignorance that in turn breeds the relativistic mentality, which is far from enlightened. Its downright hedonistic.
And thanks for the link(s)Rob!
E.M.Zanotti - 02:07pm on 07/13/2005
I wonder if women becomming emotionally attached to their lovers is innate or a societal result. Not saying its one way or the other, its just something I wonder.
-Andrew (I’m signing this because I think I’ll still be logged on as “guest")
Sex affects Women and Men in different ways. Women become emotionally tied to the man they have sex with, in general. Men do not become emotionally tied to the woman they have sex with. Sex
Holding off on having sex until marriage allows a woman to develop a strong, long lasting emotional tie to their husband. This emotional tie generates a strong family which is profoundly important to the development of children.
Its not so much about the sex or the moralities surrouding it, Don, its about encouraging reckless behavior. “Screw Abstinence” tells our kids what? To hell with it? Just go have sex? We’re not even talking about which to stress more, safe sex vs. abstinence ed. here, we’re talking about taking abstinence and just throwing it out the window.
Regardless of your stance on abortion, wouldn’t a better approach be to encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough to deal with the consequences of having it? Because the whole abortionist stance is to make abortions “safe, legal and rare,” right?
Well they won’t exactly be rare if we’re “screwing” abstinence.
How about teaching them that sex is natural, pleasurable, and good for you?
That there are choices other than sex-for-procreation-only and celibacy?
Here’s a nutty idea---do the moral instruction at home or church, and use health class to provide ACCURATE information about their bodies and their choices!
While this group is obviously having a little fun with the name of their get together, the point is that abstinence-only programs that do not provide information on protection are not only naive but damaging. Those who support abstinence-only programs cannot be surprised that oral and anal sex are now not considered to be sex by today’s teens.
That’s simply not true, Seth---but since you’re still babbling about “a woman’s true nature,” I don’t expect you to be joining the 21th Century anytime soon.
Tap tap tap
You kids in the back off the car,
put on your pants , step out of the vehicle.
I want to talk to you about abstinace.
Your mother already told you?
Your father already told you?
“ yeah but we get carried away”
Who is that other kid in the car?
“That’s my brother, he just likes to watch.”
Seth:
I don’t have or WANT a family structure exactly like your grandparents had, with a subservient wife pumping out babies for her god, the party, and her husband. Insisting that your model is the best and/or only model for healthy families is prudery at best, bigotry at worse.
Rob:
Firs of all, to “encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough” is a one-size-fits-all approach, and sex is so much more complex than that (thank the goddess!)
Secondly, teaching them the truth about birth control and their own bodies is the smart thing to do regardless of your own attitude towards sex.
Finally, I believe abortion should be available on demand, without charge, in complete confidentiality, and without apology. I realize that I’m out of the mainstream on this one---but I remain hopeful that America may someday leave the 18th century and embrace my Highly Evolved World View (tm).
Don, the long term effects of your ideology can been seen today in Africa. Rampant disease and ignorant children is what you are promoting. Try and think outside the box and imagine a world where promiscuity without consequence exist. Women would be at odds with their nature, which is to become emotionally attached to their partner and their children. In your world view, women would have to become as emotionless as men… This is just not possible without some serious after-effects. Women are emotional beings, while men are analytical beings. We work together because we compliment each other. Your view changes this dynamic… It would be like having two North poles on a magnet. It just won’t work.
But hey… we live in a country where we can make our own choices and see the results… Considering that the VAST majority of drug addicts, homeless, indigent, etc are from BROKEN families… I think your way sucks.
But you go on preaching that your way is better…
As for the free, confidential, abortion on demand… I would like to see your brain go through the same procedure. What a looser thing to preach… really.
Except that it is a woman’s true nature to become emotionally entangled in a relationship. We can believe what we want, but there is no mistaking that empty feeling you get when you wake up to an empty bed that had someone in it last night--someone who won’t ever call again.
Regardless of what women might want to believe, there are fundamental differnences between the sexes. The object shouldn’t be to rid ourselves of them, but to celebrate them. But that’s not what the modern feminist ideology teaches. To say that the world would be served by making sex emotionless leads to a total lack of personal responsibility, and an incredible ignorance. While complete abstinence education might be too much of a shelter for kids, merely sending them into the world, not explaining to them that there are both emotional and physical results fror, and a context to sexual intercourse breeds a very similar ignorance--an ignorance that in turn breeds the relativistic mentality, which is far from enlightened. Its downright hedonistic.
And thanks for the link(s)Rob!
I wonder if women becomming emotionally attached to their lovers is innate or a societal result. Not saying its one way or the other, its just something I wonder.
-Andrew (I’m signing this because I think I’ll still be logged on as “guest")