Of course I’m not saying that, Rob. But since neither one of us were there or know the girl, neither one of us is qualified to pass judgement. esp. a severe as calling someone a monster.
Of course, passing judgement on others is one of the best parts of being a knee-jerk conservatives, isn’t it?
(OKAY...I was being sarcastic and a bit unfair there, but still, you get my drift)
Don Myers - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
The girl claims that Planned Parenthood helped her cover-up a crime. An eleven-year-old girl who doesn’t know any better. Planned Parenthood endorses that version of the story by printing the claim on their own website.
That, for me, is more than enough information to pass judgment. This has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with covering up child abuse.
Rob - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
’I was raped at 11, by my 17 year old boyfriend. I chose not to tell my parents because I didn’t think their involvement would help, that was the right choice for me.’
How can any of you question her impeccable judgement? You don’t know her? She may have been very advanced for a prepubescient tween. You Christofascists shoving your morality down her throat. Or was that her child molester boyfriend shoving something else down there?
And when she was 14 and decided to voluntarily have sex she decided to get abortion pills that day eventhough they don’t kick in for a month.
Well anyhow if she didn’t have an abortion mill looking out for her now that she’s 17 and sooooooooooooooooooooo in luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv who would? And if she gets pregnant they can sure take care of that. I mean who are you to judge her when she obviously has such a great track record of decision making? As a parent I can guarantee that her parents couldn’t possibly be prouder of her and her well thought out judgements.
ICallMasICM - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
Of course Rob wasn’t there and doesn’t know the girl or the circumstances. However… Planned Parenthood seems to think counseling an 11 year old girl with out parental knowledge is a good thing. Rob was severly injured in a snow machine accident awhile back. His injuries were life threatening but the emergency room only stablized and then waited until they got in touch with his sister (we were out of town) to begin treatment. Because they didn’t have permission to treat. But if our 11 year old daughter was raped she can be counseled in secret. What nonsense. We’re talking about the safety and well being of a little girl. It’s not only nonsense… it’s monsterous.
Carol - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
Does anyone honestly believe that an eleven-year-old girl, in shock after being raped by her 17-year-old “boyfriend,” is capable of making decisions about who should and should not be told about the rape?
Yes. I do.
Dave - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
Do you have any idea what an eleven-year old girl might go through reporting a rape? It can be worse than the rape sometimes.
Perhaps you might want to think about the girl before you make knee-jerk statements like calling Planned Parenthood “monsters.”
PP is still the first line of defence between women and the Christofacists who want to wrest reproductive freedom away from them.
Don Myers - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
I am thinking about the girl, Don, but I am also thinking about the other children this guy may have raped. Setting the abortion thing aside for a moment, you can’t possibly be saying that you’re against catching rapists....are you?
Rob - 08:12am on 12/14/2005
You’re all assuming that the story is true.
Of course, Planned Parenthood is such an honest organization and full of integrity that I’m sure it must be true. They certainly wouldn’t lie about something like this just to raise money, scare women and girls, and embolden pedophiles and rapists.
(Please note that this comment is dripping with sarcasm.)
Steve - 09:12am on 12/14/2005
What happen to the ‘age of consent’ tenet which I believe is generally set at 18 years and has been for years the recognition of the age when an individual could make legal decisions regarding themselves and their affairs? Certainly a 11 year old girl is way below the age of consent and should not be permitted to make life threatening decisions without parental or guardian consent.
docdave - 09:12am on 12/14/2005
I posted my response at length on my weblog, but I’ll summarize here. Why is PP afraid of parents? I think that’s the key question. Does anyone here really think that the 11 yr old has a better perspective on this whole thing than her parents. I realize that we live in a different world now than the previous generation, but as a parent, I am aware of a whole lot more things about the children my children associate with than they are.
How about thinking about it this way: If a child goes to buy a car, he could consult his parents. If he thinks of buying a house he might consult his parents. The only people I know that are concerned about a child consulting his parents on decisions could be that salesman who knows that the parent will see something or know something through experience that the child doesn’t. So how come when it comes to the matter of life and death of a unborn child, or even the sexual practices of a child, some people don’t want parents to have any say-- or brag about the child making the decision? Could it be the same reason?
Of course I’m not saying that, Rob. But since neither one of us were there or know the girl, neither one of us is qualified to pass judgement. esp. a severe as calling someone a monster.
Of course, passing judgement on others is one of the best parts of being a knee-jerk conservatives, isn’t it?
(OKAY...I was being sarcastic and a bit unfair there, but still, you get my drift)
The girl claims that Planned Parenthood helped her cover-up a crime. An eleven-year-old girl who doesn’t know any better. Planned Parenthood endorses that version of the story by printing the claim on their own website.
That, for me, is more than enough information to pass judgment. This has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with covering up child abuse.
’I was raped at 11, by my 17 year old boyfriend. I chose not to tell my parents because I didn’t think their involvement would help, that was the right choice for me.’
How can any of you question her impeccable judgement? You don’t know her? She may have been very advanced for a prepubescient tween. You Christofascists shoving your morality down her throat. Or was that her child molester boyfriend shoving something else down there?
And when she was 14 and decided to voluntarily have sex she decided to get abortion pills that day eventhough they don’t kick in for a month.
Well anyhow if she didn’t have an abortion mill looking out for her now that she’s 17 and sooooooooooooooooooooo in luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv who would? And if she gets pregnant they can sure take care of that. I mean who are you to judge her when she obviously has such a great track record of decision making? As a parent I can guarantee that her parents couldn’t possibly be prouder of her and her well thought out judgements.
Of course Rob wasn’t there and doesn’t know the girl or the circumstances. However… Planned Parenthood seems to think counseling an 11 year old girl with out parental knowledge is a good thing. Rob was severly injured in a snow machine accident awhile back. His injuries were life threatening but the emergency room only stablized and then waited until they got in touch with his sister (we were out of town) to begin treatment. Because they didn’t have permission to treat. But if our 11 year old daughter was raped she can be counseled in secret. What nonsense. We’re talking about the safety and well being of a little girl. It’s not only nonsense… it’s monsterous.
Yes. I do.
Do you have any idea what an eleven-year old girl might go through reporting a rape? It can be worse than the rape sometimes.
Perhaps you might want to think about the girl before you make knee-jerk statements like calling Planned Parenthood “monsters.”
PP is still the first line of defence between women and the Christofacists who want to wrest reproductive freedom away from them.
I am thinking about the girl, Don, but I am also thinking about the other children this guy may have raped. Setting the abortion thing aside for a moment, you can’t possibly be saying that you’re against catching rapists....are you?
You’re all assuming that the story is true.
Of course, Planned Parenthood is such an honest organization and full of integrity that I’m sure it must be true. They certainly wouldn’t lie about something like this just to raise money, scare women and girls, and embolden pedophiles and rapists.
(Please note that this comment is dripping with sarcasm.)
What happen to the ‘age of consent’ tenet which I believe is generally set at 18 years and has been for years the recognition of the age when an individual could make legal decisions regarding themselves and their affairs? Certainly a 11 year old girl is way below the age of consent and should not be permitted to make life threatening decisions without parental or guardian consent.
I posted my response at length on my weblog, but I’ll summarize here. Why is PP afraid of parents? I think that’s the key question. Does anyone here really think that the 11 yr old has a better perspective on this whole thing than her parents. I realize that we live in a different world now than the previous generation, but as a parent, I am aware of a whole lot more things about the children my children associate with than they are.
How about thinking about it this way: If a child goes to buy a car, he could consult his parents. If he thinks of buying a house he might consult his parents. The only people I know that are concerned about a child consulting his parents on decisions could be that salesman who knows that the parent will see something or know something through experience that the child doesn’t. So how come when it comes to the matter of life and death of a unborn child, or even the sexual practices of a child, some people don’t want parents to have any say-- or brag about the child making the decision? Could it be the same reason?