All of the people at the rally who saw that sign but refused to do something about it. Their letting that kind of message be displayed at their rally means they condone it.
Words mean things, MI, and sometimes you are judged by those you associate with.
Rob - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
Well, not to put words in MI’s mouth, but I think he’s in agreement that the sign is wrong. His point is that we shouldn’t be condemning all of the protestors at the rally for it.
Obviously, I disagree with that as per my comments above.
Rob - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
I officially question these people’s patriotism.
Same here. Can you imagine this happening 60 years ago when we were fighting for our very lives and losing thousands of men a day?
Sounds like support for people who kill innocent men, women and children to me. Pretty cut and dry.
WunderKraut - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
Which of “these people” exactly? The guy giving the finger? The person holding the “College Not Combat” sign? Or the one holding the “Iraqis are right to fight” sign? Or, because you find that one sign objectionable, are you simply lumping in all of the people at the rally?
modern instances - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
modern instances,
Hmm, let’s see.
The guy holding the sign that says “Iraqis are right to fight”. If he means the “insurgents” that are killing U.S. troops every day, then he is actively supporting an enemy of the U.S. who is actively engaged in killing U.S. military personnel. How is that NOT treason?
IF he is wanting ordinary Iraqis to take up arms against the U.S., and that would be their right, then that is still treason because he is supporting our enemy who is killing U.S. personnel.
What part of that do you not understand?
WunderKraut - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
MI
Ok, you make some points. So how about I just question that one guy’s patriotism? I do question his and others who support our enemy.
WunderKraut - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
MI: Surely the creator of this site is beyond making such obvious logical fallacies.
Dave - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
Guilt by association can be a real stinker, MI.
For instance, if I were marching in a protest against illegal immigration I would sure as hell go over to some neo-nazi guy holding a sign reading something about “spics” and tell him to leave. Or, depending on the situation, I would make it clear that he wasn’t part of what I was protesting. If I couldn’t do either, I’d leave.
Guilt by association can be a bitch, but when people stand around and do nothing about this sort of thing they’re going to be painted by the same brush.
Words mean things. Plus, it would be a lot harder to make my point if we didn’t see this sort of thing again and again at anti-war rallies.
Rob - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
All of the people at the rally who saw that sign but refused to do something about it. Their letting that kind of message be displayed at their rally means they condone it.
How can someone who is exercising their right to free speech attempt to stifle the speech of another? I was in a march before the war, with tens of thousands of participants, some of whom carried signs that I thought were either off point or that I disagreed with. I couldn’t very well walk up to them, carrying my American flag, and tell them to take their sign down.
modern instances - 09:10am on 10/31/2005
And Dave wonders why people are so condescending to him…
Ok, I’ll clear that up:
All of the people at the rally who saw that sign but refused to do something about it. Their letting that kind of message be displayed at their rally means they condone it.
Words mean things, MI, and sometimes you are judged by those you associate with.
Well, not to put words in MI’s mouth, but I think he’s in agreement that the sign is wrong. His point is that we shouldn’t be condemning all of the protestors at the rally for it.
Obviously, I disagree with that as per my comments above.
Same here. Can you imagine this happening 60 years ago when we were fighting for our very lives and losing thousands of men a day?
Sounds like support for people who kill innocent men, women and children to me. Pretty cut and dry.
Which of “these people” exactly? The guy giving the finger? The person holding the “College Not Combat” sign? Or the one holding the “Iraqis are right to fight” sign? Or, because you find that one sign objectionable, are you simply lumping in all of the people at the rally?
modern instances,
Hmm, let’s see.
The guy holding the sign that says “Iraqis are right to fight”. If he means the “insurgents” that are killing U.S. troops every day, then he is actively supporting an enemy of the U.S. who is actively engaged in killing U.S. military personnel. How is that NOT treason?
IF he is wanting ordinary Iraqis to take up arms against the U.S., and that would be their right, then that is still treason because he is supporting our enemy who is killing U.S. personnel.
What part of that do you not understand?
MI
Ok, you make some points. So how about I just question that one guy’s patriotism? I do question his and others who support our enemy.
MI: Surely the creator of this site is beyond making such obvious logical fallacies.
Guilt by association can be a real stinker, MI.
For instance, if I were marching in a protest against illegal immigration I would sure as hell go over to some neo-nazi guy holding a sign reading something about “spics” and tell him to leave. Or, depending on the situation, I would make it clear that he wasn’t part of what I was protesting. If I couldn’t do either, I’d leave.
Guilt by association can be a bitch, but when people stand around and do nothing about this sort of thing they’re going to be painted by the same brush.
Words mean things. Plus, it would be a lot harder to make my point if we didn’t see this sort of thing again and again at anti-war rallies.
How can someone who is exercising their right to free speech attempt to stifle the speech of another? I was in a march before the war, with tens of thousands of participants, some of whom carried signs that I thought were either off point or that I disagreed with. I couldn’t very well walk up to them, carrying my American flag, and tell them to take their sign down.
And Dave wonders why people are so condescending to him…