There is/was a conspiracy with this soldiers death.
The Bush administration conpired to (per your own admission) hide the truth from the public, and used his death for propaganda purposes.
And that is a damned shame. Lying to the US public buy government officials no matter what the reason is IMHO akin to treason.
You said:” In the case of Tillman, he was killed by his own troops. At the time the war in Iraq was relatively new, and the military didn’t want the public getting disillusioned with a sad story about a celebrity like Tillman who signed up to fight for his country only to be killed tragically by his own troops. So they covered it up and try to claim he was killed by enemy fire.They also subsequently squashed any attempt at a criminal investigation for fear that it would generate sensational headlines and further undermine the war effort (which it would have).
ellinas - 10:07am on 07/27/2007
Granted the officers involved made some bad public relations judgments in this matter and allowed a nothing story to become something, but, this is, to quote Shakespeare ‘much ado about nothing.’
We should all admire Tillman for turning his back on big money and instead serving his country in a damn tough outfit. This was no criminal conspiracy, there is nothing here worth anything more than letters of reprimand to these officers for trying to cover up a regrettable accident. Who was hurt by this nonsense? Who profitted? What was to be gained by anyone by the fact Tillman was the victim of an accident and the military tried to keep this from taking anything away from Tillman’s genuine heroism.
These officers do not deserve their careers to be seriously harmed, ended or in the case of one General the loss of a star and part of his retirement money. This is all a bunch of bull excrement from the left.
Neiman - 10:07am on 07/27/2007
Why would anyone listen to what that nutcase supporter of terrorists Wesley Clark has to say? With exception to that looser Keith Sloberman, that is?
docdave - 10:07am on 07/27/2007
The White House has refused to give Congress documents about the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman, with White House counsel Fred F. Fielding saying that certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”
According the very same WaPo article, the White House and DoD have already turned over some 10,000 pages of documents pertaining to Pat Tilman’s death.
The inconvenient truth here is that it is not up to Henry Waxman, or any other member of Congress, to determine what materials may or may not be covered by executive privilege, and more than it was up to Newt Gingrich or Henry Hyde to make that same determination during the Clinton administration.
All former General Wesley Clark has done is remind us all why it was that no one took his abortive 2004 campaign for the White House very seriously.
Bat One - 02:07pm on 07/27/2007
We should all admire Tillman for turning his back on big money and instead serving his country in a damn tough outfit.
I’ll admire Tillman for serving his country the day you condemn everyone else for not serving their country. Deal?
Also, I’m sure they’re thrilled you refer to the death of their son as “nonsense.”
This was no criminal conspiracy
How can you possibly claim to know that with any degree of certainty? We already know that high-ranking members of the military lied to Tillman’s grieving parents about the way he died, even making up stories about the fake “battle” in which he died.
I’m amazed that no one has any problem with the government blatantly lying to both the country and, mroe specifically, to a fallen soldier’s grieving parents, just for public relations needs. This is disgusting. When did you give the government the carte blanche on Iraq?
dave - 02:07pm on 07/27/2007
dave: First I never said Tillman’s death was nonsense, but the dust up going on now is nonsense.
How was Tillman’s Family hurt by their not knowing for 30 days that his death was an accident caused by Friendly Fire? He was killed in war and where the bullet came from doesn’t make him less of a hero or his death more or less painful to the family.
Who is it that you want condemned for not serving? You have something in mind here pal, so spit it out and then I can react, but such a general request for a condemnation doesn’t deserve an answer.
Conspiracy: 1. a plan or agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive action. 2. the making of an agreement or plot to commit an illegal or subversive action. Now when and where did these officers get together and agree to commit an illegal or subversive act? There is no evidence of any criminal or subversive (intended or likely to undermine or overthrow a government or other institution) act, but those on the Left think an accusation amounts to proof of guilt.
Dave your anti-military slip is showing! These officers
had nothing personal to gain from the false story that was allowed to go forward for a whole freaking 30 days, and quite frankly I think it would have been better for the family and the country if no one ever knew he died from friendly fire. This is an over reaction caused by a politically correct Pentagon under that bastard Gates, giving into pressure from the liberal MSM and Democrats as they felt some people had to be punished to get everyone else to shut the hell up about this and make the story go away.
So, you anti-American Leftists got your military blood, what the hell are your crying about?
Neiman - 02:07pm on 07/27/2007
Question: Are dave and Dave the same whackadoo? Or two similar whackadoos with similar signatures?
Proof - 03:07pm on 07/27/2007
Oh yes, very much so. It’s the same Davey who used to tell us that smothering babies after birth is ok (it’s just a really late-term abortion!) but eating hamburgers is like the holocaust.
Rob - 04:07pm on 07/27/2007
Mostly he trolls around posting absurd comments, like the one supporting necrophilia in that other thread, waiting for someone to notice him so he can get his rocks off arguing with circular logic.
Usually it’s best just to ignore him, but sometimes it’s fun to mock him and stuff too.
There is/was a conspiracy with this soldiers death.
The Bush administration conpired to (per your own admission) hide the truth from the public, and used his death for propaganda purposes.
And that is a damned shame. Lying to the US public buy government officials no matter what the reason is IMHO akin to treason.
You said:” In the case of Tillman, he was killed by his own troops. At the time the war in Iraq was relatively new, and the military didn’t want the public getting disillusioned with a sad story about a celebrity like Tillman who signed up to fight for his country only to be killed tragically by his own troops. So they covered it up and try to claim he was killed by enemy fire. They also subsequently squashed any attempt at a criminal investigation for fear that it would generate sensational headlines and further undermine the war effort (which it would have).
Granted the officers involved made some bad public relations judgments in this matter and allowed a nothing story to become something, but, this is, to quote Shakespeare ‘much ado about nothing.’
We should all admire Tillman for turning his back on big money and instead serving his country in a damn tough outfit. This was no criminal conspiracy, there is nothing here worth anything more than letters of reprimand to these officers for trying to cover up a regrettable accident. Who was hurt by this nonsense? Who profitted? What was to be gained by anyone by the fact Tillman was the victim of an accident and the military tried to keep this from taking anything away from Tillman’s genuine heroism.
These officers do not deserve their careers to be seriously harmed, ended or in the case of one General the loss of a star and part of his retirement money. This is all a bunch of bull excrement from the left.
Why would anyone listen to what that nutcase supporter of terrorists Wesley Clark has to say? With exception to that looser Keith Sloberman, that is?
According the very same WaPo article, the White House and DoD have already turned over some 10,000 pages of documents pertaining to Pat Tilman’s death.
The inconvenient truth here is that it is not up to Henry Waxman, or any other member of Congress, to determine what materials may or may not be covered by executive privilege, and more than it was up to Newt Gingrich or Henry Hyde to make that same determination during the Clinton administration.
All former General Wesley Clark has done is remind us all why it was that no one took his abortive 2004 campaign for the White House very seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman#Controversy_regarding_Tillman.27s_death
Also, I’m sure they’re thrilled you refer to the death of their son as “nonsense.”
How can you possibly claim to know that with any degree of certainty? We already know that high-ranking members of the military lied to Tillman’s grieving parents about the way he died, even making up stories about the fake “battle” in which he died.I’m amazed that no one has any problem with the government blatantly lying to both the country and, mroe specifically, to a fallen soldier’s grieving parents, just for public relations needs. This is disgusting. When did you give the government the carte blanche on Iraq?
dave: First I never said Tillman’s death was nonsense, but the dust up going on now is nonsense.
How was Tillman’s Family hurt by their not knowing for 30 days that his death was an accident caused by Friendly Fire? He was killed in war and where the bullet came from doesn’t make him less of a hero or his death more or less painful to the family.
Who is it that you want condemned for not serving? You have something in mind here pal, so spit it out and then I can react, but such a general request for a condemnation doesn’t deserve an answer.
Conspiracy: 1. a plan or agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive action. 2. the making of an agreement or plot to commit an illegal or subversive action. Now when and where did these officers get together and agree to commit an illegal or subversive act? There is no evidence of any criminal or subversive (intended or likely to undermine or overthrow a government or other institution) act, but those on the Left think an accusation amounts to proof of guilt.
Dave your anti-military slip is showing! These officers
had nothing personal to gain from the false story that was allowed to go forward for a whole freaking 30 days, and quite frankly I think it would have been better for the family and the country if no one ever knew he died from friendly fire. This is an over reaction caused by a politically correct Pentagon under that bastard Gates, giving into pressure from the liberal MSM and Democrats as they felt some people had to be punished to get everyone else to shut the hell up about this and make the story go away.
So, you anti-American Leftists got your military blood, what the hell are your crying about?
Question: Are dave and Dave the same whackadoo? Or two similar whackadoos with similar signatures?
Oh yes, very much so. It’s the same Davey who used to tell us that smothering babies after birth is ok (it’s just a really late-term abortion!) but eating hamburgers is like the holocaust.
Mostly he trolls around posting absurd comments, like the one supporting necrophilia in that other thread, waiting for someone to notice him so he can get his rocks off arguing with circular logic.
Usually it’s best just to ignore him, but sometimes it’s fun to mock him and stuff too.