LDS: Have done some research on this bill, and can’t find the hard numbers, but still maintain that it’s a flawed concept to try to do anything about poverty by tax and spend tactics. It’s unfair, IMO, to confiscate money from the productive people in one country to give to the corrupt UN, which will then pass some of it on to various corrupt dictators and slaveowners around the world. Even here in the US, where we have an actual good economic system, that tactic doesn’t work, so why would anyone think it would work anywhere else? Instead of quibbling about numbers, realize that even one dollar is too much to put into this boondoggle.
robert108 - 10:02pm on 02/17/2008
Robert,
It’s unfair, IMO, to confiscate money from the productive people in one country to give to the corrupt UN, which will then pass some of it on to various corrupt dictators and slaveowners around the world.
I agree with you, except on one point. The money isn’t going to the UN.
Instead of quibbling about numbers, realize that even one dollar is too much to put into this boondoggle.
Once again I agree. But, I’m not quibbling about the numbers. They are wrong, but that’s beside the point.
Now understand...so I don’t have to repeat myself.
I don’t agree with this program, but this whole concept started with Bush at the G8 summit, not Obama. And I’m not defending Obama.
My dispute with blogs such as this is that we constantly complain about the libs ignoring the facts… then we turn around and attack Obama with untruths.
laydownSally - 10:02pm on 02/17/2008
Last word,
This isn’t a typo I’m refering to, the whole thing is wrong.
The money isn’t going to the UN.
The numbers are wrong.
Bush started this process.
Republicans are going along with it.
But since Obama/Hagel introduced this bill, we lay it all at their feet.
All this from one small paragraph on Becks’ website.
And then there is this:
It is Barack Obama’s response to the call of the Bali Global Warming Conference for a global carbon tax
You know where that came from?
Since the original UN resolution calling on the G8 nations to pony up was followed by the Bali global warming conference also calling on wealthy nations to support a global tax to empower poorer ‘powerless’ states, I concluded that Barack Obama, a committed internationalist, was responding to the call.
Now I know we don’t adhere to the strict rules of journalism..but that’s absurd.
The next time Hannitized and Puzzelfeet complain that we are biased...What should we tell them?
laydownSally - 11:02pm on 02/17/2008
No matter who proposed it, it’s a load of crap.
robert108 - 12:02am on 02/18/2008
My dispute with blogs such as this is that we constantly complain about the libs ignoring the facts… then we turn around and attack Obama with
untruths.
Despite your generalization, it isn’t anything like a regular occurrence with the conservatives on this blog; with the lefties, though...you have it about right.
Nobody’s perfect, but we generally get things right.
robert108 - 12:02am on 02/18/2008
Am I the only person that is astounded by how many people are buying into this guy’s garbage. His ideas have less substance than a cup of Jell-O but if a person points out that fact then they are accused of being a racist. I believe that when he wins the nomination there will be a mass exodus of Hillary supporters flocking to McCain. I’m not going to try and make a prediction, but either McCain is going to get “Doled” or Obama is going to get “Dukakased.”
Christophe - 06:04pm on 04/27/2008
Obama is anti-american, this is his plan to ‘CHANGE’ us from a super-power down to a poor 3rd world country. Some people are blind to this. This is 845 Billion over & above the 300 Billion we provide in foreign aid already. The thugs & theives at the U.N. will get this money, and give it to every country hostile to the U.S. This will bankrupt & weaken us to where we will be forced to be subordinate to control by the U.N. or simply concquered by other countries. Thanks, Obama, you dick.
RSR - 10:06am on 06/20/2008
I am a retired law enforcement officer. I am considered to be a “blue coller” worker. Therefore, it should excite me that the Obama wants to “redistribute the wealth” by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Sounds good to this old working stiff. The problem with that philosophy is that history has proven that,in reality,it dosn’t work. Karl Mark introduced the concept back in the late 1800s. He wrote,"From each ,according to his ability to each ,according to his need.” We all know what Karl Mark’s pilosophy brought to the masses. Is there anyone out there who can tell me why this sort of distoted thinking will work now when,throughout history,everytime it has been tried, it has only caused misery to us working people. Let the rich stay rich. I will continue to enjoy my meger pinsion. Thank you very much just the same.
Frank Pierce - 11:09am on 09/21/2008
To sally and friends I have read the bill in question s2433 it does not stipulate a fraction of GDP we aren’t getting off that easy. It will
“REQUIRE the President to develop and IMPLEMENT” that’s not a request, to fulfill the “Millennium Development Goal”
“(4) The United Nations Millennium Development
←→
[Struck out->]United Nations[<-Struck out] Millennium Development
Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.”
I THINK 840 billion is derived from 1 billion people times 10 dollars times 12 months times 7 years = 840 billion. Problem is that’s way.. way.. way off that doesn’t count postage wait it gets better
WE have to provide safe drinking water. Pumps filters pipes installation etc.
We have to provide food ship it , distribute it, provide the trucks, longshoremen, accountants, security, roads etc.
We have to install the sanitation earthmoving equipment pipes toilets T.P. treatment plants etc.
We have to reduce child mortality by 2/3 Magic wands maybe?
We have to provide basic education to ALL children that includes schools, books, pencil, paper, teachers, lunches, electricity, etc.
WE have to reverse the spread of HIV?!?!?! I guess we just castrate everyone.
We have to stop the spread of malaria more magic wands?!
while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends Lots of BIG magic wands.
This monster is world wide not just one country. This will have a price tag in the HUNDREDS of TRILLIONS. Even as I write this my mind is reeling with enormity of this debacle. Pouring this tidalwave of cash into an economy that is built on pennies would cause an economic collapse that would make the great depression into a foot note. For anyone not familiar with history let me point to the gold rush so much gold flowed into the yukon economy that eggs sold for a dollar EACH in NJ they sold for 65 cents a DOZEN,
coffee sold for $1.50 a PINT in PA $0.85 for 2 pounds. Then after the glut comes the crash and famine pestilence war....This is too much I gotta stop I’m sorry.
Richard J - 01:10pm on 10/17/2008
Have you heard this 2001 radio interview in which Obama discusses wanting redistribution of wealth?
LDS: Have done some research on this bill, and can’t find the hard numbers, but still maintain that it’s a flawed concept to try to do anything about poverty by tax and spend tactics. It’s unfair, IMO, to confiscate money from the productive people in one country to give to the corrupt UN, which will then pass some of it on to various corrupt dictators and slaveowners around the world. Even here in the US, where we have an actual good economic system, that tactic doesn’t work, so why would anyone think it would work anywhere else? Instead of quibbling about numbers, realize that even one dollar is too much to put into this boondoggle.
Robert,
I agree with you, except on one point. The money isn’t going to the UN.
Once again I agree. But, I’m not quibbling about the numbers. They are wrong, but that’s beside the point.
Now understand...so I don’t have to repeat myself.
I don’t agree with this program, but this whole concept started with Bush at the G8 summit, not Obama. And I’m not defending Obama.
My dispute with blogs such as this is that we constantly complain about the libs ignoring the facts… then we turn around and attack Obama with untruths.
Last word,
This isn’t a typo I’m refering to, the whole thing is wrong.
The money isn’t going to the UN.
The numbers are wrong.
Bush started this process.
Republicans are going along with it.
But since Obama/Hagel introduced this bill, we lay it all at their feet.
All this from one small paragraph on Becks’ website.
And then there is this:
You know where that came from?
Now I know we don’t adhere to the strict rules of journalism..but that’s absurd.
The next time Hannitized and Puzzelfeet complain that we are biased...What should we tell them?
No matter who proposed it, it’s a load of crap.
Despite your generalization, it isn’t anything like a regular occurrence with the conservatives on this blog; with the lefties, though...you have it about right.
Nobody’s perfect, but we generally get things right.
Am I the only person that is astounded by how many people are buying into this guy’s garbage. His ideas have less substance than a cup of Jell-O but if a person points out that fact then they are accused of being a racist. I believe that when he wins the nomination there will be a mass exodus of Hillary supporters flocking to McCain. I’m not going to try and make a prediction, but either McCain is going to get “Doled” or Obama is going to get “Dukakased.”
Obama is anti-american, this is his plan to ‘CHANGE’ us from a super-power down to a poor 3rd world country. Some people are blind to this. This is 845 Billion over & above the 300 Billion we provide in foreign aid already. The thugs & theives at the U.N. will get this money, and give it to every country hostile to the U.S. This will bankrupt & weaken us to where we will be forced to be subordinate to control by the U.N. or simply concquered by other countries. Thanks, Obama, you dick.
I am a retired law enforcement officer. I am considered to be a “blue coller” worker. Therefore, it should excite me that the Obama wants to “redistribute the wealth” by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Sounds good to this old working stiff. The problem with that philosophy is that history has proven that,in reality,it dosn’t work. Karl Mark introduced the concept back in the late 1800s. He wrote,"From each ,according to his ability to each ,according to his need.” We all know what Karl Mark’s pilosophy brought to the masses. Is there anyone out there who can tell me why this sort of distoted thinking will work now when,throughout history,everytime it has been tried, it has only caused misery to us working people. Let the rich stay rich. I will continue to enjoy my meger pinsion. Thank you very much just the same.
To sally and friends I have read the bill in question s2433 it does not stipulate a fraction of GDP we aren’t getting off that easy. It will
“REQUIRE the President to develop and IMPLEMENT” that’s not a request, to fulfill the “Millennium Development Goal”
“(4) The United Nations Millennium Development
←→
[Struck out->]United Nations[<-Struck out] Millennium Development
Goals include the goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, that live on less than $1 per day, cutting in half the proportion of people suffering from hunger and unable to access safe drinking water and sanitation, reducing child mortality by two-thirds, ensuring basic education for all children, and reversing the spread of HIV/AIDS and malaria, while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends.”
I THINK 840 billion is derived from 1 billion people times 10 dollars times 12 months times 7 years = 840 billion. Problem is that’s way.. way.. way off that doesn’t count postage wait it gets better
WE have to provide safe drinking water. Pumps filters pipes installation etc.
We have to provide food ship it , distribute it, provide the trucks, longshoremen, accountants, security, roads etc.
We have to install the sanitation earthmoving equipment pipes toilets T.P. treatment plants etc.
We have to reduce child mortality by 2/3 Magic wands maybe?
We have to provide basic education to ALL children that includes schools, books, pencil, paper, teachers, lunches, electricity, etc.
WE have to reverse the spread of HIV?!?!?! I guess we just castrate everyone.
We have to stop the spread of malaria more magic wands?!
while sustaining the environment upon which human life depends Lots of BIG magic wands.
This monster is world wide not just one country. This will have a price tag in the HUNDREDS of TRILLIONS. Even as I write this my mind is reeling with enormity of this debacle. Pouring this tidalwave of cash into an economy that is built on pennies would cause an economic collapse that would make the great depression into a foot note. For anyone not familiar with history let me point to the gold rush so much gold flowed into the yukon economy that eggs sold for a dollar EACH in NJ they sold for 65 cents a DOZEN,
coffee sold for $1.50 a PINT in PA $0.85 for 2 pounds. Then after the glut comes the crash and famine pestilence war....This is too much I gotta stop I’m sorry.
Have you heard this 2001 radio interview in which Obama discusses wanting redistribution of wealth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck