You don’t get to sit in the audience and listen to someone say stuff like “God damn America” week after week and then say “Oh I don’t really agree with him, I just go to listen to him every Sunday.”
Did he say that week after week?
Heres the main point Rob. When I go to church I realize a lot of people really, really need to believe that they need God to direct them in every sense of their lives. I do not and I refuse to let religion dictate my life in all facets. Yet any church I go to will tell me this is what I need to do.
My best friends were married and they believe God brought them together and that god made the rain stop for a short while for their wedding. These are some of my closest friends. I don’t believe that at all, but most of the church does. This reality speaks nothing to how I feel or how I interact with the world around me, or how I think the world effects ME...period.
I believe Obama understands that some black people need to come to terms with the racism they experience and have experienced to survive peacefully in the world. Stating that they don’t hate their enemies for being racist against them is not racism, its forgiveness.
You can feel how you like, but I think your conclusions are wrong. Obama does not speak any of this nonsense and if you knew his family, you would know this is not how they think or thought. I know his sister, personally. She is not racist and her hanai sister, who was my girlfriend is white and not a racist. Obama’s white mother and my girlfriends mother were the best of friends. These people are not racists.
Hannitized - 03:03pm on 03/13/2008
The spin to excuse this rank racism is astonishing, is it not?
It just gets better!!!
It’s now “rank racism” to go to the same church as a racist. How much more shit can you throw to the wall before you just get tired?
todd - 03:03pm on 03/13/2008
It is rank racism to go to a church which presents race as one of the defining characteristics of their faith, and Obama’s church certainly does that.
My goodness, if McCain went to, say, Westboro Baptist in Wichita, you guys would be all over it. Why can’t you get it through your heads that being a member of a church where the pastor spouts off such bigoted nonsense--and puts it in the church constitution--as does Pastor Wright also qualifies as the same thing?
Bike Bubba - 03:03pm on 03/13/2008
. Why can’t you get it through your heads that being a member of a church where the pastor spouts off such bigoted nonsense--and puts it in the church constitution--as does Pastor Wright also qualifies as the same thing?
Bubba,
Can you reference something that was bigoted and explain how it makes them racist?
Hannitized - 04:03pm on 03/13/2008
It is rank racism to go to a church which presents race as one of the defining characteristics of their faith, and Obama’s church certainly does that.
It *certainly* does that? Well, I suppose you do have a fucking youtube video to base your thoughts on; what more do you need? You’re “certain!”
todd - 04:03pm on 03/13/2008
Come on, Hannitized: By now, you, me and every intelligent person on the planet knows what Rev. Wright has been preaching in his church. And while I can’t speak for you, I can tell you that I would not remain a member of a church where race was the defining tool for interpreting the Gospels.
You are often a persuasive contributor here, but not when your goal is to merely win an argument.
pparets - 04:03pm on 03/13/2008
Lessee.....making the claim that all white people are privileged, but a black man with two Ivy League degrees is not, basing the church’s theology on one’s skin color, accusing the government (meaning white people) of supplying drugs to black people and then putting them in jail and committing genocide there....
...guys, if you can’t see this guy’s bigotry, you’re willfully blind. If Obama hasn’t taken a hint, then I think we’d do well to think very carefully before giving him a promotion.
Bike Bubba - 06:03am on 03/14/2008
Easy there nutters…its 7 months till the election and you are already screechy and unhinged about what someone who is not Obama said…priceless
realitybasedbob - 07:03am on 03/14/2008
Mama said that you are judged by the people you associate with. What we are seeing and hearing from Rev. Wright is deeply disturbing. A discussion of the influence he might have on the mindset of a presidential candidate cannot be easily dismissed. That would be like saying that the brain-washers had no influence over The Manchurian Candidate.
first point some 10’ faces slight bump dropping
Did he say that week after week?
Heres the main point Rob. When I go to church I realize a lot of people really, really need to believe that they need God to direct them in every sense of their lives. I do not and I refuse to let religion dictate my life in all facets. Yet any church I go to will tell me this is what I need to do.
My best friends were married and they believe God brought them together and that god made the rain stop for a short while for their wedding. These are some of my closest friends. I don’t believe that at all, but most of the church does. This reality speaks nothing to how I feel or how I interact with the world around me, or how I think the world effects ME...period.
I believe Obama understands that some black people need to come to terms with the racism they experience and have experienced to survive peacefully in the world. Stating that they don’t hate their enemies for being racist against them is not racism, its forgiveness.
You can feel how you like, but I think your conclusions are wrong. Obama does not speak any of this nonsense and if you knew his family, you would know this is not how they think or thought. I know his sister, personally. She is not racist and her hanai sister, who was my girlfriend is white and not a racist. Obama’s white mother and my girlfriends mother were the best of friends. These people are not racists.
It’s now “rank racism” to go to the same church as a racist. How much more shit can you throw to the wall before you just get tired?
It is rank racism to go to a church which presents race as one of the defining characteristics of their faith, and Obama’s church certainly does that.
My goodness, if McCain went to, say, Westboro Baptist in Wichita, you guys would be all over it. Why can’t you get it through your heads that being a member of a church where the pastor spouts off such bigoted nonsense--and puts it in the church constitution--as does Pastor Wright also qualifies as the same thing?
Bubba,
Can you reference something that was bigoted and explain how it makes them racist?
Come on, Hannitized: By now, you, me and every intelligent person on the planet knows what Rev. Wright has been preaching in his church. And while I can’t speak for you, I can tell you that I would not remain a member of a church where race was the defining tool for interpreting the Gospels.
You are often a persuasive contributor here, but not when your goal is to merely win an argument.
Lessee.....making the claim that all white people are privileged, but a black man with two Ivy League degrees is not, basing the church’s theology on one’s skin color, accusing the government (meaning white people) of supplying drugs to black people and then putting them in jail and committing genocide there....
...guys, if you can’t see this guy’s bigotry, you’re willfully blind. If Obama hasn’t taken a hint, then I think we’d do well to think very carefully before giving him a promotion.
Easy there nutters…its 7 months till the election and you are already screechy and unhinged about what someone who is not Obama said…priceless
Mama said that you are judged by the people you associate with. What we are seeing and hearing from Rev. Wright is deeply disturbing. A discussion of the influence he might have on the mindset of a presidential candidate cannot be easily dismissed. That would be like saying that the brain-washers had no influence over The Manchurian Candidate.