Rob. Correct. The double-racial-standard yet again. Not only did his (ex) pastor use profanity, but his church is very close to loosing its tax free status.
Chief RZ - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
And yes, Todd, I will judge a political candidate based on the political views expressed and supported by his church, especially if those views reveal a view of the world completely at variance with reality, as Obama’s pastor’s are.
I went to a church where the pastor preached about supporting Isreal and this and that about how important it is to protect Isreal.
I never particularly agreed with him on that. What does it say about me? Nothing, except that I disagreed with his ideas to blend politics with religion and that I disagreed with him.
You are missing the point.
Hannitized - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
If John McCain went to a church where the Reverend was a Klan leader I think Todd and Hannitized would care.
I don’t equate whiney over the top pastors who cry about the victimization racism to the KKK who killed, intimidated and victimized, suppressed and attempted to segregate and politically isolate their fellow man.
The fact that you equate the two shows why you have no business commenting on this subject.
Hannitized - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
Rob,
Do you have proof that Obama still attends this church?
Neiman,
If you have been associated with someone for 20 years why can’t you remain friends, even if you disagree with them. I attended this fundamendalist church for several years. When the message got to extreme for me, I left. I still consider the pastor a friend. But, I will never return to his church.
ollie-B - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
Does it matter what the beliefs of the gardener are?
It matters what his beliefs about gardening are, sure.
Now ask the question:
Does it matter what the beliefs of the pastor are?
It matters what his beliefs about religion are, sure.
See what I did? This is why I’m so clever!
You choose a gardener based for his gardening views. You choose a pastor for his religious views.
todd - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
If John McCain went to a church where the Reverend was a Klan leader I think Todd and Hannitized would care.
And to answer your question. I doubt that I would considering how John McCain handled himself with the immigration reform. You see, I would judge him by his actions and I actually sort of like John McCain.
I had neighbors who were members of the KKK. They were nice neighbors and offered my sister and I lemonade all the time as kids. Even though we were darkies. And guess what? We were nice to them too.
I still don’t think you get it.
Hannitized - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
“The government gives them [black people] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” [Pastor Wright, 2003]
I think Clair says it best..
I’ll leave it to those more scholarly and knowledgeable than I to find that Bible verse. I’m just wondering that I never noticed that part of the Federal budget earmarked “free crack for black folks.”
[In 2006, the Obamas gave $22,500 to the church.]
The 8,000-member church describes itself as “unashamedly black” and holds classes in “African-centered Bible study.”
Obama pledged to honor something called the “Black Value System,” a cult like code of non biblical ethics written by blacks for blacks. It preaches a radically exclusive theology that contradicts the tenets of Christianity.
Since all the attention to the Afrocentric system, has lead traffic to their website, the church has removed a lot from the “About Us” page of its web site, replacing the entire section with a glowing video testimonial from a white official with its parent United Church of Christ.
But according to the original Web page, that we read in an earlier SA post, Trinity puts the “black community” first.
Obama says he respects his preacher and is “proud” of their friendship, as well as his church, which proclaims: “We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent.” In a 2006 interview with BeliefNet.com, Obama called Wright “one of the greatest preachers in the country.”
Obama, calls the dashiki-attiring preachin’ man of his aggressively militant black church his “spiritual adviser and mentor”. “It was the best education I ever had,” he has said of his indoctrination by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
I consider their close relationship extremely disturbing. Wright is an America-hating race-monger. He blames practically every ill on “white America,” I just do not understand how people can be so unconcerned with Obama’s association with this church and it’s beliefs ... beliefs that they, now feel necessary to HIDE from the public. (?)
Anna - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
Hannitized, you’re confusing visiting a church with being a member. Again, let’s try to keep on track here; Obama is a prominent MEMBER of this church, and makes no apologies for it. This kind of thing is part of the church’s official doctrine, coming out of the lead pastor.
Sorry, but this sticks.
Bike Bubba - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
watashiwa:
If you have been associated with someone for 20 years why can’t you remain friends, even if you disagree with them. I attended this fundamendalist church for several years. When the message got to extreme for me, I left. I still consider the pastor a friend. But, I will never return to his church.
Duh? That is what I said, you should go back and read all my comments again.
Ann:
Obama says he respects his preacher and is “proud” of their friendship, as well as his church, which proclaims: “We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent.” In a 2006 interview with BeliefNet.com, Obama called Wright “one of the greatest preachers in the country.”
This “We are African people and remain true to our native land, the mother contenent” is quite troubling by itself. That is why I hate hyphenated Americans, they are not loyal to America first, only if it is convenient, otherwise they are blood suckers. If Obama is African, if he really believes that, then he has not assimilated into our society and that fact alone means he should be rejected by the voters.
The fact that you equate the two shows why you have no business commenting on this subject.
Hate mongering is still hate mongering! Black racists are just as bad as white racists. Lastly, you should be careful about telling anyone they have no right to speak on any subject just because you disagree with them.
Neiman - 11:03am on 03/13/2008
todd - It matters what his beliefs about religion are, sure.
See what I did? This is why I’m so clever!
That’s not clever at all. It’s dumb.
You’re discounting what the pastor says in church because it’s not religious. It is all the more outrageous when one considers that you’re telling us this pastor saying ”God damn America” in church doesn’t matter because it somehow isn’t religious.
But keep on spinning. Keep on defending this racism. This kind of double standard is par for the course for the self-defined “liberals”. But please, keep on defending it! America needs to see this.
Rob. Correct. The double-racial-standard yet again. Not only did his (ex) pastor use profanity, but his church is very close to loosing its tax free status.
I went to a church where the pastor preached about supporting Isreal and this and that about how important it is to protect Isreal.
I never particularly agreed with him on that. What does it say about me? Nothing, except that I disagreed with his ideas to blend politics with religion and that I disagreed with him.
You are missing the point.
I don’t equate whiney over the top pastors who cry about the victimization racism to the KKK who killed, intimidated and victimized, suppressed and attempted to segregate and politically isolate their fellow man.
The fact that you equate the two shows why you have no business commenting on this subject.
Rob,
Do you have proof that Obama still attends this church?
Neiman,
If you have been associated with someone for 20 years why can’t you remain friends, even if you disagree with them. I attended this fundamendalist church for several years. When the message got to extreme for me, I left. I still consider the pastor a friend. But, I will never return to his church.
See what I did? This is why I’m so clever!
You choose a gardener based for his gardening views. You choose a pastor for his religious views.
And to answer your question. I doubt that I would considering how John McCain handled himself with the immigration reform. You see, I would judge him by his actions and I actually sort of like John McCain.
I had neighbors who were members of the KKK. They were nice neighbors and offered my sister and I lemonade all the time as kids. Even though we were darkies. And guess what? We were nice to them too.
I still don’t think you get it.
I think Clair says it best..
I’ll leave it to those more scholarly and knowledgeable than I to find that Bible verse. I’m just wondering that I never noticed that part of the Federal budget earmarked “free crack for black folks.”
[In 2006, the Obamas gave $22,500 to the church.]
The 8,000-member church describes itself as “unashamedly black” and holds classes in “African-centered Bible study.”
Obama pledged to honor something called the “Black Value System,” a cult like code of non biblical ethics written by blacks for blacks. It preaches a radically exclusive theology that contradicts the tenets of Christianity.
Since all the attention to the Afrocentric system, has lead traffic to their website, the church has removed a lot from the “About Us” page of its web site, replacing the entire section with a glowing video testimonial from a white official with its parent United Church of Christ.
But according to the original Web page, that we read in an earlier SA post, Trinity puts the “black community” first.
Obama says he respects his preacher and is “proud” of their friendship, as well as his church, which proclaims: “We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent.” In a 2006 interview with BeliefNet.com, Obama called Wright “one of the greatest preachers in the country.”
Obama, calls the dashiki-attiring preachin’ man of his aggressively militant black church his “spiritual adviser and mentor”. “It was the best education I ever had,” he has said of his indoctrination by Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
I consider their close relationship extremely disturbing. Wright is an America-hating race-monger. He blames practically every ill on “white America,” I just do not understand how people can be so unconcerned with Obama’s association with this church and it’s beliefs ... beliefs that they, now feel necessary to HIDE from the public. (?)
Hannitized, you’re confusing visiting a church with being a member. Again, let’s try to keep on track here; Obama is a prominent MEMBER of this church, and makes no apologies for it. This kind of thing is part of the church’s official doctrine, coming out of the lead pastor.
Sorry, but this sticks.
watashiwa:
Duh? That is what I said, you should go back and read all my comments again.
Ann:
This “We are African people and remain true to our native land, the mother contenent” is quite troubling by itself. That is why I hate hyphenated Americans, they are not loyal to America first, only if it is convenient, otherwise they are blood suckers. If Obama is African, if he really believes that, then he has not assimilated into our society and that fact alone means he should be rejected by the voters.
Hate mongering is still hate mongering! Black racists are just as bad as white racists. Lastly, you should be careful about telling anyone they have no right to speak on any subject just because you disagree with them.
todd - It matters what his beliefs about religion are, sure.
See what I did? This is why I’m so clever!
That’s not clever at all. It’s dumb.
You’re discounting what the pastor says in church because it’s not religious. It is all the more outrageous when one considers that you’re telling us this pastor saying ”God damn America” in church doesn’t matter because it somehow isn’t religious.
But keep on spinning. Keep on defending this racism. This kind of double standard is par for the course for the self-defined “liberals”. But please, keep on defending it! America needs to see this.