Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem then of course America should be talking to them. I’m disappointed with Obama’s statement.
MikeAdamson - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
Oops! sannitized will be here to call you a liar for pointing out what Obamoid has repeatedly said, you evil, hate filled Hatee McHater you!!
2Hotel9 - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem then of course America should be talking to them.
I’d tend to agree with that, though I’d draw a distinction between recognizing that Hamas is a part of the situation with Israel and hugging the movement’s founder.
I’m disappointed with Obama’s statement.
But not surprised, I’ll warrant, given Obama’s propensity for trying to be all things to all people.
Rob - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
But not surprised, I’ll warrant, given Obama’s propensity for trying to be all things to all people.
Turns out he’s a politician after all.
MikeAdamson - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
Turns out he’s a politician after all.
Hey, that’s going to come as a shock to a lot of liberals in this country.
Rob - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
Hey, that’s going to come as a shock to a lot of liberals in this country.
Rob, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. After all, we haven’t received Hanitized’s enlightened interpretation of Obama’s comments yet.
kbiel - 02:04pm on 04/16/2008
Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem…
Mike,
Why? Would you reward terrorism and those who commit indiscriminate violence against civilian women and children with a seat at the table and an endorsement of their efforts?
Bat One - 03:04pm on 04/16/2008
Bat One...I’d rather not but sometimes you have to be realistic. Hamas is the popularly elected Palestinian government and I believe that those elements within Hamas that are capable of contributing to a solution need space and legitimacy. Besides, it’s not like we haven’t supported terrorist groups in the past when it comes to hammering out solutions. Obviously Hamas would have to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist but you have to include all of the players who demonstrate willingness to participate in the process. I’m not saying that Hamas is necessarily at that point yet but it’s naive to say that we can ignore them...IMO.
MikeAdamson - 08:04pm on 04/16/2008
Obviously Hamas would have to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist but you have to include all of the players who demonstrate willingness to participate in the process. I’m not saying that Hamas is necessarily at that point yet…
Mike,
I fear your optimism will yet be the death of someone. Meantime, wake me when you have something more substantive… and hopeful… to report.
Bat One - 08:04pm on 04/16/2008
I’d like to point out that Hamas’ election is relatively meaningless. Democracy is not the mere existence of a ballot box. One must also feel free to support his/her candidates openly - which includes free speech, free assembly and a free press - without reprisal in addition to feeling free to cast their ballot whatever way they want.
Anyone thinking these freedoms exist among the Palestinians is fooling themselves.
Since Hamas will have to be part of any successful resolution to the problem then of course America should be talking to them. I’m disappointed with Obama’s statement.
Oops! sannitized will be here to call you a liar for pointing out what Obamoid has repeatedly said, you evil, hate filled Hatee McHater you!!
I’d tend to agree with that, though I’d draw a distinction between recognizing that Hamas is a part of the situation with Israel and hugging the movement’s founder.
But not surprised, I’ll warrant, given Obama’s propensity for trying to be all things to all people.
Turns out he’s a politician after all.
Hey, that’s going to come as a shock to a lot of liberals in this country.
Rob, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. After all, we haven’t received Hanitized’s enlightened interpretation of Obama’s comments yet.
Mike,
Why? Would you reward terrorism and those who commit indiscriminate violence against civilian women and children with a seat at the table and an endorsement of their efforts?
Bat One...I’d rather not but sometimes you have to be realistic. Hamas is the popularly elected Palestinian government and I believe that those elements within Hamas that are capable of contributing to a solution need space and legitimacy. Besides, it’s not like we haven’t supported terrorist groups in the past when it comes to hammering out solutions. Obviously Hamas would have to renounce violence and recognise Israel’s legitimacy and right to exist but you have to include all of the players who demonstrate willingness to participate in the process. I’m not saying that Hamas is necessarily at that point yet but it’s naive to say that we can ignore them...IMO.
Mike,
I fear your optimism will yet be the death of someone. Meantime, wake me when you have something more substantive… and hopeful… to report.
I’d like to point out that Hamas’ election is relatively meaningless. Democracy is not the mere existence of a ballot box. One must also feel free to support his/her candidates openly - which includes free speech, free assembly and a free press - without reprisal in addition to feeling free to cast their ballot whatever way they want.
Anyone thinking these freedoms exist among the Palestinians is fooling themselves.