I agree. Rape and incest are definitely unfortunate, but killing a baby really isn’t going to fix things.
In my opinion, the only time an abortion should be allowed is to save the life of the mother. Not just for “health reasons,” or whatever that argument is, but actually to save her life.
Daniel - 08:01am on 01/23/2007
The genie’s out of the botle, has been for decades. Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned.
ec99 - 05:01pm on 01/23/2007
The genie’s out of the botle, has been for decades. Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned.
Give me a break. Judicial decisions don’t last forever.
Roe vs. Wade needs to be overturned for the good of the nation. We live in a representative republic, not a judicial oligarchy. We need help if that genie is out of the bottle and won’t be overturned. Who do you want making your laws? You? Or nine black robes?
likwidshoe - 06:01pm on 01/23/2007
World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.(likely 55 to 60)
Over 3,500 per day / Over 1.3 million per year in America alone.
50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.
A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.
And 2% had medical reasons.
That means a staggering 98% of unwanted pregnancies may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.
People have to stop using abortion as birth control.
People should be able to choose to use birth control, to avoid having to make another choice.
I’d like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.
ausblog - 06:01pm on 01/23/2007
I’d like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.
It is.
likwidshoe - 06:01pm on 01/23/2007
People have to stop using abortion as birth control.
You state that as though the answer is obvious. Why’s it matter if people terminate unborn children through abortion or contraception?
whatever - 10:01pm on 01/23/2007
Why’s it matter if people terminate unborn children through abortion or contraception?
Contra, for those few who might not know, means “against.” Contraception isn’t killing a baby, it’s preventing (working against, as it were) the baby from being conceived in the first place.
Daniel - 11:01pm on 01/23/2007
whoops, meant to block quote that first sentence.
Daniel - 11:01pm on 01/23/2007
Got something for you Dan,
I have found some evidence that proves that a fetus is a living human being.......
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act is a United States law which defines violent assault committed against pregnant women as being a crime against two persons: the woman and the fetus she carries.
This law was passed in 2004 after the murder of the then pregnant Laci Peterson and her fetus, Connor Peterson.
And this,
The “born alive” rule is a legal principle that holds that various aspects of the criminal law, such as the statutes relating to homicide and to assault, apply only to a child that is “born alive”. Recent advances in the state of medical science have led to court decisions that have overturned this rule, and in several jurisdictions statutes have been explicitly framed or amended to include unborn children.
The born alive rule was originally a principle at common law in England that was carried to the United States. Its original basis was that because of the (then) state of medical science and because of the rate of still births and miscarriages, it was impossible to determine whether a child would be a living being. This inability to determine whether a child in the womb was in fact alive, and would be successfully born, had ramifications with respect to the laws relating to assault and to homicide. (It is not possible to kill a child that has already died, for example.) Thus the act of a live birth was taken to be the point at which it could be reliably determined, in law, that the various laws applied.[1][2]
However, advances in the state of the art in medical science, including ultrasonography, foetal heart monitoring, and foetoscopy, have since made it possible to determine that a child is alive within the womb, and as a consequence many jurisdictions, in particular in the United States, have taken steps to supplant or abolish this common law principle.[1]
As of 2002, 23 states in the United States still employed the rule, to lesser or greater extent.[2]
The abolition of the rule has proceeded piecemeal, from case to case and from statute to statute, rather than wholesale. One such landmark case with respect to the rule was Commonwealth vs. Cass, in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where the court held that the stillbirth of an eight-month-old foetus, whose mother had been injured by a motorist, constituted vehicular homicide. By a majority decision, the Supreme Court of Massachusetts held that the foetus constituted a “person” for the purposes of the Massachusetts statute relating to vehicular homicide. In the opinion of the justices, “We think that the better rule is that infliction of perinatal injuries resulting in the death of a viable foetus, before or after it is born, is homicide.
ausblog - 05:01am on 01/24/2007
Looks like ausblog’s comment is something I should have tacked onto the end of mine. I have no problem with people trying to prevent the baby from being conceived; but once conception takes place, you’ve got yourself another human being, and deliberately ending it’s life through abortion is murder.
I agree. Rape and incest are definitely unfortunate, but killing a baby really isn’t going to fix things.
In my opinion, the only time an abortion should be allowed is to save the life of the mother. Not just for “health reasons,” or whatever that argument is, but actually to save her life.
The genie’s out of the botle, has been for decades. Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned.
The genie’s out of the botle, has been for decades. Roe v Wade is not going to be overturned.
Give me a break. Judicial decisions don’t last forever.
Roe vs. Wade needs to be overturned for the good of the nation. We live in a representative republic, not a judicial oligarchy. We need help if that genie is out of the bottle and won’t be overturned. Who do you want making your laws? You? Or nine black robes?
World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.(likely 55 to 60)
Over 3,500 per day / Over 1.3 million per year in America alone.
50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.
A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.
And 2% had medical reasons.
That means a staggering 98% of unwanted pregnancies may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.
People have to stop using abortion as birth control.
People should be able to choose to use birth control, to avoid having to make another choice.
I’d like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.
I’d like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.
It is.
Why’s it matter if people terminate unborn children through abortion or contraception?
Contra, for those few who might not know, means “against.” Contraception isn’t killing a baby, it’s preventing (working against, as it were) the baby from being conceived in the first place.
whoops, meant to block quote that first sentence.
Got something for you Dan,
I have found some evidence that proves that a fetus is a living human being.......
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act is a United States law which defines violent assault committed against pregnant women as being a crime against two persons: the woman and the fetus she carries.
This law was passed in 2004 after the murder of the then pregnant Laci Peterson and her fetus, Connor Peterson.
And this,
The “born alive” rule is a legal principle that holds that various aspects of the criminal law, such as the statutes relating to homicide and to assault, apply only to a child that is “born alive”. Recent advances in the state of medical science have led to court decisions that have overturned this rule, and in several jurisdictions statutes have been explicitly framed or amended to include unborn children.
The born alive rule was originally a principle at common law in England that was carried to the United States. Its original basis was that because of the (then) state of medical science and because of the rate of still births and miscarriages, it was impossible to determine whether a child would be a living being. This inability to determine whether a child in the womb was in fact alive, and would be successfully born, had ramifications with respect to the laws relating to assault and to homicide. (It is not possible to kill a child that has already died, for example.) Thus the act of a live birth was taken to be the point at which it could be reliably determined, in law, that the various laws applied.[1][2]
However, advances in the state of the art in medical science, including ultrasonography, foetal heart monitoring, and foetoscopy, have since made it possible to determine that a child is alive within the womb, and as a consequence many jurisdictions, in particular in the United States, have taken steps to supplant or abolish this common law principle.[1]
As of 2002, 23 states in the United States still employed the rule, to lesser or greater extent.[2]
The abolition of the rule has proceeded piecemeal, from case to case and from statute to statute, rather than wholesale. One such landmark case with respect to the rule was Commonwealth vs. Cass, in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where the court held that the stillbirth of an eight-month-old foetus, whose mother had been injured by a motorist, constituted vehicular homicide. By a majority decision, the Supreme Court of Massachusetts held that the foetus constituted a “person” for the purposes of the Massachusetts statute relating to vehicular homicide. In the opinion of the justices, “We think that the better rule is that infliction of perinatal injuries resulting in the death of a viable foetus, before or after it is born, is homicide.
Looks like ausblog’s comment is something I should have tacked onto the end of mine. I have no problem with people trying to prevent the baby from being conceived; but once conception takes place, you’ve got yourself another human being, and deliberately ending it’s life through abortion is murder.