Where else? Well, I would hope that America would also be known for it religious tolerance. Or, do you just hate them because of their freedoms?
Hannitized - 09:05am on 05/12/2008
If crosses, rosary beads, prayer mats, etc., are allowed, then these twigs should be allowed; if they’re only allowing prayer mats and twigs, but not the Christian items, then obviously a firm decision should be made allowing all or none.
mdmdc - 10:05am on 05/12/2008
As asinine as this is, it seem like the twig could be easily used as a weapon.
Of course, they do sell those rubber wands that lil’ Harry Potter wannabe’s use
Anna - 11:05am on 05/12/2008
I would hope that America would also be known for it religious tolerance. Or, do you just hate them because of their freedoms?
No country or people in the world are more religiously tolerant than America and that tolerance is a direct result of our Judeo-Christian faith wherein the Bill of Rights were formulated. In fact, when a person is found guilty of a crime and sent to prison, their actions have resulted in their no longer have any rights at all, only privileges that are deemed appropriate by the state and can be granted or denied based on state interests.
A prisoner cannot be forced to surrender their faith, but if the practice of that faith requires religious items that presents a danger to fellow intmates or staff, the state has an interest in restricting or denying certain them. If those items are provided, then it is unconstitutional, IMO, to prevent a religious prisoner from having peyote or a virgin (good luck finding one in America) to sacrifice to their god or other items they feel are required to fullfill their faith.
If you break the law you have surrendered your religious rights, if the practice of that faith requires items that the state finds not in the best interest of the staff, fellow prisoners and the tax payers, thery can and should be denied.
Neiman - 11:05am on 05/12/2008
...if the practice of that faith requires items that the state finds not in the best interest of the staff, fellow prisoners and the tax payers, thery can and should be denied.
So do you think Americans should provide little wooden twigs to prisoners, so that they can practice their faith, as they do in England, yes or no?
Or do you also hate Europe for it’s freedoms?
Hannitized - 12:05pm on 05/12/2008
Neiman—as long as the prohibitions on religious items are based on their possible danger to other inmates or staff and therefore equally enforced, I’m with you. That’s why I asked about crosses, rosary beads, etc.—I can easily imagine dangerous uses for those religious items just as easily as twigs.
mdmdc - 12:05pm on 05/12/2008
So do you think Americans should provide little wooden twigs to prisoners, so that they can practice their faith, as they do in England, yes or no?
Or do you also hate Europe for it’s freedoms?
First question: I don’t have enough information on what these twigs look like or their possible use, but generally speaking, yes deny them.
Second Question: Europe is almost wholly socialist, as we are rapidly becoming; and they do not offer true liberty to their people, as everyone must serve the state. Further, more and more of them are tolerant of religions like Islam, while at the same time, they have passed very restrictive laws against Christianity. So, they offer few freedoms and they are intolerant of all that opposes the state.
Neiman - 12:05pm on 05/12/2008
and they do not offer true liberty to their people, as everyone must serve the state
Neiman, you are right. This sounds like Michelle Obama out on the stump for her husband telling people not to go to college to get high paying jobs but to go into service jobs to serve the government and community. I personally don’t like presidential candidates telling me what field of work I should go into.
Hannitized do you think that the prisons should give these people twigs or sticks. If so then if I ever end up getting arrested I will tell the police that my religion requires me to carry a firearm and plastic explosives (that could brake through a prison cell) at all times.
Where else? Well, I would hope that America would also be known for it religious tolerance. Or, do you just hate them because of their freedoms?
If crosses, rosary beads, prayer mats, etc., are allowed, then these twigs should be allowed; if they’re only allowing prayer mats and twigs, but not the Christian items, then obviously a firm decision should be made allowing all or none.
As asinine as this is, it seem like the twig could be easily used as a weapon.
Of course, they do sell those rubber wands that lil’ Harry Potter wannabe’s use
No country or people in the world are more religiously tolerant than America and that tolerance is a direct result of our Judeo-Christian faith wherein the Bill of Rights were formulated. In fact, when a person is found guilty of a crime and sent to prison, their actions have resulted in their no longer have any rights at all, only privileges that are deemed appropriate by the state and can be granted or denied based on state interests.
A prisoner cannot be forced to surrender their faith, but if the practice of that faith requires religious items that presents a danger to fellow intmates or staff, the state has an interest in restricting or denying certain them. If those items are provided, then it is unconstitutional, IMO, to prevent a religious prisoner from having peyote or a virgin (good luck finding one in America) to sacrifice to their god or other items they feel are required to fullfill their faith.
If you break the law you have surrendered your religious rights, if the practice of that faith requires items that the state finds not in the best interest of the staff, fellow prisoners and the tax payers, thery can and should be denied.
So do you think Americans should provide little wooden twigs to prisoners, so that they can practice their faith, as they do in England, yes or no?
Or do you also hate Europe for it’s freedoms?
Neiman—as long as the prohibitions on religious items are based on their possible danger to other inmates or staff and therefore equally enforced, I’m with you. That’s why I asked about crosses, rosary beads, etc.—I can easily imagine dangerous uses for those religious items just as easily as twigs.
First question: I don’t have enough information on what these twigs look like or their possible use, but generally speaking, yes deny them.
Second Question: Europe is almost wholly socialist, as we are rapidly becoming; and they do not offer true liberty to their people, as everyone must serve the state. Further, more and more of them are tolerant of religions like Islam, while at the same time, they have passed very restrictive laws against Christianity. So, they offer few freedoms and they are intolerant of all that opposes the state.
Neiman, you are right. This sounds like Michelle Obama out on the stump for her husband telling people not to go to college to get high paying jobs but to go into service jobs to serve the government and community. I personally don’t like presidential candidates telling me what field of work I should go into.
Hannitized do you think that the prisons should give these people twigs or sticks. If so then if I ever end up getting arrested I will tell the police that my religion requires me to carry a firearm and plastic explosives (that could brake through a prison cell) at all times.