Yes, guns kill people… and my keybaord can’t spell correctly.
Spartacus - 04:02pm on 02/15/2008
This guy paused to reload his shotgun—well, not really paused, drew his handgun to try and take out the grad student lecturer (who survived), then reloaded the shotgun.
Knowing that, how can someone seriously claim a licensed armed student or instructor wouldn’t have at least have helped give time for people to escape.
It is a crime that society is willing to remain unprotected.
The shock is the that after decades of being cowed into giving up the right to defend ourselves we realize that we can’t stop everyone before they do this. However we might at least be able to fight back and stop them while they are targeting us like sitting ducks.
DKK
LifeTrek - 04:02pm on 02/15/2008
LifeTrack, the odd part is that every time something like this occurs the shooter never is someone who earned a concealed carry or personal protection permit, if the shooter had such a permit the media and the Sarah Brady bunch would be have multiple orgasms pointing out that fact. So until that one event happens the story will be the same, guns kill people, not people kill people.
Spartacus - 05:02pm on 02/15/2008
I drove through Yellowstone NAtional Park last night (West Yellowstone near Big Sky since the main roads are closed due to winter). Posted clearly are the prohibitions against carrying a weapon.
And I think about being out in the woods enjoying a nice hike when a deranged SOB like the one in Georgia that killed that hiker decides to attack you. I am lucky. I am 6’2” and 230lbs. I can handle myself. But imagine my 5’8” 115 lb wife. Like a twig. Someone wants to rape her or kill her and unless he is a 12 year old, he is gonna win. And in the backcountry, other folks that have bad intentions, surely will ignore prohibitions on weapons. Or better, imagine being attacked by a bear and not having something to frighten or possibly kill an attacker or draw attention of rangers or other nearby folks.
National Parks are the frontier. They are areas where people must be the most self sufficient. Where life and death decisions occur and where people routinely die when they find themselves unprepared. Three short shots into the air---BANG.BANG.BANG. Universal distress signal. Last I checked, my cell phone didn’t get reception in Yellowstone.
Justin B. - 05:02pm on 02/15/2008
Someone please tell me where in the 2nd Amendment, a part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits Congress from infringing, does it permit the federal government via the Department of Interior or anyone else to prohibit a citizen’s right to own and carry a firearm inside our national parks or anywhere else for that matter.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Nope, I cannot find it, in matter of fact, I see words that indicate it is unconstitutional for the federal government in any manner to infringe upon our rights to keep (personal possession) and bear (wear/hold/carry) arms (L. arma “weapons,” lit. “tools, implements (of war)
It doesn’t really matter, if McCain and Feingold can amend the Constitutional legislatively to infringe upon my free political speech rights, the government can even absent legislation violate the Second Amendment at will and no one will protest.
Neiman - 06:02pm on 02/15/2008
Guys, you haven’t seen anything yet. Wait until about three years from now, when President Obama, with the consent of a majority liberal congress and the approval of a restored liberal Supreme Court takes on gun control.
You can drag out McCain/Feingold all you want, but John McCain is not going to nominate activist judges to the court or seek to undo the 2nd Amendment.
pparets - 10:02pm on 02/15/2008
As usual, the only thing unusual about this guy was the mind altering medication that he had been put on.
ews48 - 11:02pm on 02/15/2008
That was a particularly desperate editorial from The New York Times.
likwidshoe - 10:02am on 02/16/2008
It is tragic irony but have you noticed that most of these mass killings seem to happening in “Gun Free Zones” and 20 years of a hand gun ban in DC has not reduced the violence. It is time that the we the citizens of the US realize that we are responsible to protect themselves and that the US government cannot. The government cannot protect you from a person with a meat cleaver, a baseball bat or a gun. When seconds count minutes do not matter!
Do you suppopse that the wack jobs that commit these crimes are purposely targeting our “gun free zones” because they know there will be no one there that can protect themselves?
Yes, guns kill people… and my keybaord can’t spell correctly.
This guy paused to reload his shotgun—well, not really paused, drew his handgun to try and take out the grad student lecturer (who survived), then reloaded the shotgun.
Knowing that, how can someone seriously claim a licensed armed student or instructor wouldn’t have at least have helped give time for people to escape.
It is a crime that society is willing to remain unprotected.
The shock is the that after decades of being cowed into giving up the right to defend ourselves we realize that we can’t stop everyone before they do this. However we might at least be able to fight back and stop them while they are targeting us like sitting ducks.
DKK
LifeTrack, the odd part is that every time something like this occurs the shooter never is someone who earned a concealed carry or personal protection permit, if the shooter had such a permit the media and the Sarah Brady bunch would be have multiple orgasms pointing out that fact. So until that one event happens the story will be the same, guns kill people, not people kill people.
I drove through Yellowstone NAtional Park last night (West Yellowstone near Big Sky since the main roads are closed due to winter). Posted clearly are the prohibitions against carrying a weapon.
And I think about being out in the woods enjoying a nice hike when a deranged SOB like the one in Georgia that killed that hiker decides to attack you. I am lucky. I am 6’2” and 230lbs. I can handle myself. But imagine my 5’8” 115 lb wife. Like a twig. Someone wants to rape her or kill her and unless he is a 12 year old, he is gonna win. And in the backcountry, other folks that have bad intentions, surely will ignore prohibitions on weapons. Or better, imagine being attacked by a bear and not having something to frighten or possibly kill an attacker or draw attention of rangers or other nearby folks.
National Parks are the frontier. They are areas where people must be the most self sufficient. Where life and death decisions occur and where people routinely die when they find themselves unprepared. Three short shots into the air---BANG.BANG.BANG. Universal distress signal. Last I checked, my cell phone didn’t get reception in Yellowstone.
Someone please tell me where in the 2nd Amendment, a part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits Congress from infringing, does it permit the federal government via the Department of Interior or anyone else to prohibit a citizen’s right to own and carry a firearm inside our national parks or anywhere else for that matter.
Nope, I cannot find it, in matter of fact, I see words that indicate it is unconstitutional for the federal government in any manner to infringe upon our rights to keep (personal possession) and bear (wear/hold/carry) arms (L. arma “weapons,” lit. “tools, implements (of war)
It doesn’t really matter, if McCain and Feingold can amend the Constitutional legislatively to infringe upon my free political speech rights, the government can even absent legislation violate the Second Amendment at will and no one will protest.
Guys, you haven’t seen anything yet. Wait until about three years from now, when President Obama, with the consent of a majority liberal congress and the approval of a restored liberal Supreme Court takes on gun control.
You can drag out McCain/Feingold all you want, but John McCain is not going to nominate activist judges to the court or seek to undo the 2nd Amendment.
As usual, the only thing unusual about this guy was the mind altering medication that he had been put on.
That was a particularly desperate editorial from The New York Times.
It is tragic irony but have you noticed that most of these mass killings seem to happening in “Gun Free Zones” and 20 years of a hand gun ban in DC has not reduced the violence. It is time that the we the citizens of the US realize that we are responsible to protect themselves and that the US government cannot. The government cannot protect you from a person with a meat cleaver, a baseball bat or a gun. When seconds count minutes do not matter!
Do you suppopse that the wack jobs that commit these crimes are purposely targeting our “gun free zones” because they know there will be no one there that can protect themselves?
http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/2amteach/sources.htm