Like an ostrich… Put your head in the sand, and the problem goes away.
I hate it when people can’t see past their noses. Sure, Muslims may not be able to conquer the United States by next year, but what about next century? CANCER. It may be slower than death by car accident, but the end result is the same.
Paulie B - 01:12pm on 12/12/2005
PB, you stole my thunder! That was pretty much the point I was going to make. People are not comprehending that the Muslim population, given a sufficently charismatic, messianic leader could become a problem for the rest of humanity that would plunge us into an age of darkness like nothing seen since biblical times. And now a whole string of people are going to hit this thread and call me a lunatic. Let the verbiage fly! Paulie, you have been, you have looked into these people’s eyes. What do you think they will do at the coming of a Prophet claiming to be the Flaming Sword of God to lead them in the destruction of all infidels? People are strange. Muslims want a new prophet to absolve them of guilt and lead them to Paradise.
2Hotel9 - 02:12pm on 12/12/2005
2H9, sorry it’s been so long to get back to your question. I can only check at work (the computer I ordered from Dell more than a month ago still hasn’t arrived...), and work has been busy recently. Also, Sorry about stealing your thunder, but at least you know that I believe it too.
So what do I think they’ll do? Just what the Koran says:
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
That’s what I think they will do 2H9. I’m not a Muslim. Nor will I convert to Islam. According to the Koran, they cannot make friends with me, and they are to kill me. If that’s what they believe, then fine. It’s their choice. But no one should get made at me for hating someone who wants to kill me. No one should get mad at me for not wanting people like that in my country; a country that I have served and still serve. (I’m not saying that you are mad at me, because I know that you aren’t. Just anyone in general.)
This isn’t extremism. This is what the Koran orders.
Paulie B - 02:12am on 12/15/2005
Not a prob, Troop. I have been having this discussion with alot of people, off line and on. It is frightening the number of people who are unwilling to simply defend themselves when attacked. Glad to see you are familiar with the Quran, too many people your age wont even consider the fact that millions of people are willing to follow a religiuos leader, even though they have the evidence right in front of them. And the historical record to back it up. The schism that has developed in Islam is similiar to the reformation which Christianity underwent, and we can only hope it brings them into the modern age, not back to the 12th century.
Like an ostrich… Put your head in the sand, and the problem goes away.
I hate it when people can’t see past their noses. Sure, Muslims may not be able to conquer the United States by next year, but what about next century? CANCER. It may be slower than death by car accident, but the end result is the same.
PB, you stole my thunder! That was pretty much the point I was going to make. People are not comprehending that the Muslim population, given a sufficently charismatic, messianic leader could become a problem for the rest of humanity that would plunge us into an age of darkness like nothing seen since biblical times. And now a whole string of people are going to hit this thread and call me a lunatic. Let the verbiage fly! Paulie, you have been, you have looked into these people’s eyes. What do you think they will do at the coming of a Prophet claiming to be the Flaming Sword of God to lead them in the destruction of all infidels? People are strange. Muslims want a new prophet to absolve them of guilt and lead them to Paradise.
2H9, sorry it’s been so long to get back to your question. I can only check at work (the computer I ordered from Dell more than a month ago still hasn’t arrived...), and work has been busy recently. Also, Sorry about stealing your thunder, but at least you know that I believe it too.
So what do I think they’ll do? Just what the Koran says:
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
That’s what I think they will do 2H9. I’m not a Muslim. Nor will I convert to Islam. According to the Koran, they cannot make friends with me, and they are to kill me. If that’s what they believe, then fine. It’s their choice. But no one should get made at me for hating someone who wants to kill me. No one should get mad at me for not wanting people like that in my country; a country that I have served and still serve. (I’m not saying that you are mad at me, because I know that you aren’t. Just anyone in general.)
This isn’t extremism. This is what the Koran orders.
Not a prob, Troop. I have been having this discussion with alot of people, off line and on. It is frightening the number of people who are unwilling to simply defend themselves when attacked. Glad to see you are familiar with the Quran, too many people your age wont even consider the fact that millions of people are willing to follow a religiuos leader, even though they have the evidence right in front of them. And the historical record to back it up. The schism that has developed in Islam is similiar to the reformation which Christianity underwent, and we can only hope it brings them into the modern age, not back to the 12th century.