I remember a thread here at SAB, a few months back, about NY cops leaving bags on the subway and arresting anyone who picked them up. That I found irresponsible, but stop and search - I have no problem with that.
ManofFireandLight - 12:05pm on 05/06/2008
ManofFireandLight - That I found irresponsible, but stop and search - I have no problem with that.
You’re not an American.
Stop and search, “your papers please”, and the like are an anathema to true Americans. Our ancestors fled from that kind of bullshit.
As for NYC stopping and searching for no reason - perhaps they first need to stop being a “sanctuary city”. First things first, eh?
Turn the oven if there’s really a bird to be cooked. As it is right now, the government is just denying the freedom of people who are getting fucked by the very government who is claiming to protect them. There’s a war on? Then close the God damn border and get rid of the “sanctuary city” bullshit.
likwidshoe - 01:05pm on 05/06/2008
Frisk searches don’t even go into their pockets, you idiots. It’s for officer safety. Cops don’t need any reason at all to pat you down for weapons… outer search only.
So take a deep breath. No one’s rights are violated.
Mike - 05:05pm on 05/14/2008
Okay, let’s briefly clarify some points.
A “stop and frisk” is known as a “Terry” search, based on the Supreme Court case Terry vs. Ohio.
It was determined in that case that an officer, under reasonable circumstances, has the right to frisk a subject. For instnace - a man standing outside a convenience store in June wearing a top coat. Is it reasonable for the officer to be suspicious? The court said, yes, it is. THAT would be a justifiable search under the law. Which is basically what happened in the Terry case.
In the New York cases recently presented - a lot of those cases were subway searches. By riding a mass transit you give automatic permission to be frisked. Don’t want to be frisked? Find another way to work. It’s no different than what the airlines do.
Now....I have to agree with Liquidshoe to some extent....just walking down the street does NOT automatically subject you to a physical search by a police officer. AND I have a problem with the show me your papers” mentality. We don’t live in the USSR. And I hope we never do.
I remember a thread here at SAB, a few months back, about NY cops leaving bags on the subway and arresting anyone who picked them up. That I found irresponsible, but stop and search - I have no problem with that.
ManofFireandLight - That I found irresponsible, but stop and search - I have no problem with that.
You’re not an American.
Stop and search, “your papers please”, and the like are an anathema to true Americans. Our ancestors fled from that kind of bullshit.
As for NYC stopping and searching for no reason - perhaps they first need to stop being a “sanctuary city”. First things first, eh?
Turn the oven if there’s really a bird to be cooked. As it is right now, the government is just denying the freedom of people who are getting fucked by the very government who is claiming to protect them. There’s a war on? Then close the God damn border and get rid of the “sanctuary city” bullshit.
Frisk searches don’t even go into their pockets, you idiots. It’s for officer safety. Cops don’t need any reason at all to pat you down for weapons… outer search only.
So take a deep breath. No one’s rights are violated.
Okay, let’s briefly clarify some points.
A “stop and frisk” is known as a “Terry” search, based on the Supreme Court case Terry vs. Ohio.
It was determined in that case that an officer, under reasonable circumstances, has the right to frisk a subject. For instnace - a man standing outside a convenience store in June wearing a top coat. Is it reasonable for the officer to be suspicious? The court said, yes, it is. THAT would be a justifiable search under the law. Which is basically what happened in the Terry case.
In the New York cases recently presented - a lot of those cases were subway searches. By riding a mass transit you give automatic permission to be frisked. Don’t want to be frisked? Find another way to work. It’s no different than what the airlines do.
Now....I have to agree with Liquidshoe to some extent....just walking down the street does NOT automatically subject you to a physical search by a police officer. AND I have a problem with the show me your papers” mentality. We don’t live in the USSR. And I hope we never do.
Hope this cleared up some points.