86000 people were not innocent, 240 people per day were apprehended as a result of these searches.
If that’s the criteria, then randomly search all young adults. There is a good chance that they have weed on them.
Ready for the police state? Your argument applies in favor of it.
likwidshoe - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
Excuse me? What about the terrorist threat? Do you want your cake and eat it too?
ManofFireandLight - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
Illegal search and seizure is illegal. Opt-out search and seizure on a mode of mass transportation is legal.
Look, no one is arguing that if NY police started to randomly search people in the streets it would be against the 4th Amendment. I’m pointing out here that contrary to the statistics above, this doesn’t happen. The statistics make it look like this happens by neglecting to mention the opt-out subway search initiative.
Hairy Polemic - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
If young adults are stupid enough to walk around NY carrying where it can be found, then they deserve to get nicked.
ManofFireandLight - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
Excuse me? What about the terrorist threat?
The threat where we can’t even name the enemy?
Do you want your cake and eat it too?
Don’t talk to me like that. I live in a country where the government wants to search American citizens for no cause, yet the Southern border is wide open.
Have my cake? You have to turn the oven on first.
likwidshoe - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
We’ve had (essentially) involuntary s&s over here for years. You can refuse, but it’s likely then that you’ll be taken to a police station to be searched. This policy was introduced by Margaret Thatcher.
ManofFireandLight - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
No cause? I’m sure the cops doing the searching would dispute that. They’ll be searching those who appear shifty or suspicious. They are trained to look for people who act as if they have something to hide. Of course some innocent people will get caught out, but what the hey - a five minute delay for a feeling of greater security - what’s wrong with that?
ManofFireandLight - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
The police need to be checked so they aren’t abusing their power. The organization should be anti-TERRORISM , not some excuse to target a shady teenager who might have marijuana.
Terrorism is definitely a MAJOR concern in NYC. Sometimes we have to give up our rights to preserve freedom--to possibly even save lives.
But this “frisking” power is my sacred 4th amendment, and they better be doing it right.
dirl126 - 04:05pm on 05/05/2008
Can I look in your bag?
Everyone seems to like the idea of an added police presence, particularly to fight terrorism on subway platforms, but then when you mention the price tag—$151 million – then people aren’t so sure.
86000 people were not innocent, 240 people per day were apprehended as a result of these searches.
If that’s the criteria, then randomly search all young adults. There is a good chance that they have weed on them.
Ready for the police state? Your argument applies in favor of it.
Excuse me? What about the terrorist threat? Do you want your cake and eat it too?
Illegal search and seizure is illegal. Opt-out search and seizure on a mode of mass transportation is legal.
Look, no one is arguing that if NY police started to randomly search people in the streets it would be against the 4th Amendment. I’m pointing out here that contrary to the statistics above, this doesn’t happen. The statistics make it look like this happens by neglecting to mention the opt-out subway search initiative.
If young adults are stupid enough to walk around NY carrying where it can be found, then they deserve to get nicked.
Excuse me? What about the terrorist threat?
The threat where we can’t even name the enemy?
Do you want your cake and eat it too?
Don’t talk to me like that. I live in a country where the government wants to search American citizens for no cause, yet the Southern border is wide open.
Have my cake? You have to turn the oven on first.
We’ve had (essentially) involuntary s&s over here for years. You can refuse, but it’s likely then that you’ll be taken to a police station to be searched. This policy was introduced by Margaret Thatcher.
No cause? I’m sure the cops doing the searching would dispute that. They’ll be searching those who appear shifty or suspicious. They are trained to look for people who act as if they have something to hide. Of course some innocent people will get caught out, but what the hey - a five minute delay for a feeling of greater security - what’s wrong with that?
The police need to be checked so they aren’t abusing their power. The organization should be anti-TERRORISM , not some excuse to target a shady teenager who might have marijuana.
Terrorism is definitely a MAJOR concern in NYC. Sometimes we have to give up our rights to preserve freedom--to possibly even save lives.
But this “frisking” power is my sacred 4th amendment, and they better be doing it right.
Can I look in your bag?
TORCH team
I take the subway everyday. I’m sure. If no where else, that’s where I want my tax money going.