The fact that moderate Muslims cower in fear of the Wahabi Deathcult is all the reason I need not to trust nor rely upon them.When they stand up and begin to put these child murdering, woman raping animals down, well, then I will reconsider their position in human affairs. Till then they are suspect.
2Hotel9 - 02:09pm on 09/08/2006
I still don’t accept that the people on this site think my muslim friends have close ties to terrorists just because they’re muslim.
I’ve discussed with several people these feelings that seem rampant about muslims being a negative force, and that several ex-muslims have agreed about the negative force and blamed it on the religion. We have come to the conclusion that you can’t trust anyone.
Would you trust an ex-baptist on baptist points of view? or an ex-catholic? how about an ex-calvinist or an ex-lutheran?
These people obviously left because they have their own issues to work out with the church they left.
I have also seen that protestants want to go around telling everyone that they’re going to hell if they don’t convert. Is this really respectful? Every religion seems to want to sway the world to come to their side because it is “right”. That also includes Atheism, for those of you who think I’m religion bashing. Everyone does it.
I am not excusing the fact that there are radicals- but there are radicals in every single faith who would kill for the chance to prove their point. We don’t need to just defeat the radical muslims- we need to defeat radicals everywhere. We don’t need to make a blanket statement about a religious group- there are terrorists and torturers from religions other than Islam.
My muslim friends never mentioned being muslim and never tried to convert me. However, the mormon friends down the street came by over easter and handed me a mormon bible and a few other things. I suppose in my area, mormons would think that we’re the infidels, and thus want to kill us by the right of God…
student student - 02:09pm on 09/08/2006
SS, why are your friends not helping to destroy our common enemy? What is their justification for cowering in fear? Let’s hear it.
2Hotel9 - 02:09pm on 09/08/2006
why aren’t you helping to destroy pedophile priests and preachers? Let’s hear your reason for it.
Do you really think a 20 year old muslim is going to quit school just to prove your point? certainly you can do better things to criticize muslims for inactivity (there are actually some active ones that prove that their religion is peaceful and denounce the terrorists). As a matter of fact, how many people do you think are inactive in public life despite the extremists in their religion?
I’ve also heard that the moderates in the war zone can’t speak up still because they’re still afraid of the terrorists and what they will do to them. So which moderates, exactly, are we all talking about?
I’ll be back later tonight, I have to go somewhere. I’ll just remember to tell my muslim friends that you wish they’d all die because they all have ties to muslim terrorists (according to you). That should really make them feel good about non-muslim America. Maybe it’ll make them feel good enough to attack us.
student student - 03:09pm on 09/08/2006
ss: First of all, we don’t know your muslim friends; the theme here is one you have already validated when you wrote: “I’ve also heard that the moderates in the war zone can’t speak up still because they’re still afraid of the terrorists and what they will do to them.”
Those are the “moderate” muslims who will do the bidding of the terrorists because they are afraid of them, or are afraid to even take a chance in acting or speaking out against the terrorists. That’s the point of this article. It doesn’t matter what they say they believe; it’s what they will do or not do when the chips are down that counts. They apparently will follow along because they are too afraid to do the right thing. We can’t trust those muslims. Understand now?
robert108 - 03:09pm on 09/08/2006
How do you know I am not? How do you know I did not spend my afternoon putting a child molester, a rapist, and a meth dealer through a whisperchipper? In point of fact I did not run away to another country and leave defensless children and women to be tortured, raped, starved, and murdered at the hands of a bunch of non-human deathcult worshippers. No. Your Muslim friends, or their parents, did exactly that. Now we, real humans, must go and clean up the mess they helped, through their personal cowardice, create. Now tell us all how it is their culture and we have no right to judge them. We never get tired of that shit.
2Hotel9 - 03:09pm on 09/08/2006
« Da’wah [conversion] work can never succeed unless Muslims embed themselves within the very marrow of American society. »
-Salah Sultan, Muslim American Society New York Conference, April 2004
I hear about Muslim leaders saying things like that, and things worse then that all the time.
So when I hear experts like Lars Hedegaard say,
“ ...If I could point to a single example of successful integration of Muslim minorities into non-Muslim populations anywhere during 1400 years of history, I would be more optimistic...”
or Fjordman say,
[…]I do, unfortunately, agree with Hedegaard that we have already passed the point of no return for serious conflicts caused by Muslim immigration. Anything we do now is damage limitation...”
And when I read dozens and dozens of articles and interviews on what other experts have to say about
it,
I know we should be worried that the western world is drifting slowly but surely toward a caliphate under sharia law.
I believe it is happening so slowly that most people refuse to believe it.
Hospitals in England have new gowns for Muslim women; a powder blue tent - yes the word burka actually means tent, that is not a joke nor an insult - little concessions here and there and in 25, 50 or who knows how many years our civilization will lost to.
“In point of fact I did not run away to another country and leave defensless children and women to be tortured, raped, starved, and murdered at the hands of a bunch of non-human deathcult worshippers. No. Your Muslim friends, or their parents, did exactly that.”
Not all muslims come from those war-torn countries. These friends of mine are actually born in the U.S. They are U.S. citizens and you want to kill them because you think they’re all against us for being muslim. It’s time to realize that Islam is not a perfectly manufactured, cookie-cut religion. Neither is Christianity.
Also, put yourself in their shoes. If your country was too dangerous for you to stay alive in- would you flee or would you stay? There are plenty of “cowards” in the world, and people flee out of self-preservation. They see that they are better off as a U.S. citizen and proceed to become them. I once met a girl from Afghanistan who was a nurse, helping out all kinds of people here in the U.S.- she had fled, but yet because of people like you, she suffers from prejudice and refuses to tell anyone where she is from because she is afraid that they too will hurt her. As a U.S. citizen, I would do something to make these people respect Americans, such as realizing that not all muslims want to blow up Americans by treating them like the human beings they are. Innocent until guilty of aiding terrorist acts.
How do you know I am not? How do you know I did not spend my afternoon putting a child molester, a rapist, and a meth dealer through a whisperchipper?
You could say the same about Muslims. Just because you don’t hear about them doesn’t mean that the good ones don’t exist. The media is incredibly biased when it comes to violence and tends to group everyone. You can’t use a typical media stereotype on muslims or anyone else for that matter.
student student - 11:09pm on 09/08/2006
ss: As long as the so-called “moderate muslims” can be intimidated into either non-action or cooperation by the violent muslims, the moderates can’t be trusted. What they say about themselves to us isn’t meaningful; what they do when they are tapped by the terrorist is what matters. They need to prove themselves with actions, not words. Our lives and our civilization is at stake.
robert108 - 11:09pm on 09/08/2006
student student said, I still don’t accept that the people on this site think my muslim friends have close ties to terrorists just because they’re muslim.
Who here believes that?
I have also seen that protestants want to go around telling everyone that they’re going to hell if they don’t convert. Is this really respectful?
So what? You’re talking of annoying behavior and we’re talking of Muslims who can’t accept the answer of “no”. Big difference.
Every religion seems to want to sway the world to come to their side because it is “right”. That also includes Atheism, for those of you who think I’m religion bashing. Everyone does it.
Except most agnostics. So not “everyone”.
My muslim friends never mentioned being muslim and never tried to convert me. However, the mormon friends down the street came by over easter and handed me a mormon bible and a few other things. I suppose in my area, mormons would think that we’re the infidels, and thus want to kill us by the right of God...
Well, you could suppose that, but it doesn’t make it true.
I’ll just remember to tell my muslim friends that you wish they’d all die because they all have ties to muslim terrorists (according to you).
Yeah, when did he say that? Thanks.
That should really make them feel good about non-muslim America. Maybe it’ll make them feel good enough to attack us.
They’ll attack us because you like to instigate and make shit up? So much for being “moderate”.
It’s time to realize that Islam is not a perfectly manufactured, cookie-cut religion. Neither is Christianity.
Why do defenders of Islam have to always reference Christianity? They’re not the same kind of religion. Christianity’s prophet was a decent guy who, by all accounts, never hurt anybody. Contrast that with Islam’s prophet - that guy was war-hungry child molestor.
The fact that moderate Muslims cower in fear of the Wahabi Deathcult is all the reason I need not to trust nor rely upon them.When they stand up and begin to put these child murdering, woman raping animals down, well, then I will reconsider their position in human affairs. Till then they are suspect.
I still don’t accept that the people on this site think my muslim friends have close ties to terrorists just because they’re muslim.
I’ve discussed with several people these feelings that seem rampant about muslims being a negative force, and that several ex-muslims have agreed about the negative force and blamed it on the religion. We have come to the conclusion that you can’t trust anyone.
Would you trust an ex-baptist on baptist points of view? or an ex-catholic? how about an ex-calvinist or an ex-lutheran?
These people obviously left because they have their own issues to work out with the church they left.
I have also seen that protestants want to go around telling everyone that they’re going to hell if they don’t convert. Is this really respectful? Every religion seems to want to sway the world to come to their side because it is “right”. That also includes Atheism, for those of you who think I’m religion bashing. Everyone does it.
I am not excusing the fact that there are radicals- but there are radicals in every single faith who would kill for the chance to prove their point. We don’t need to just defeat the radical muslims- we need to defeat radicals everywhere. We don’t need to make a blanket statement about a religious group- there are terrorists and torturers from religions other than Islam.
My muslim friends never mentioned being muslim and never tried to convert me. However, the mormon friends down the street came by over easter and handed me a mormon bible and a few other things. I suppose in my area, mormons would think that we’re the infidels, and thus want to kill us by the right of God…
SS, why are your friends not helping to destroy our common enemy? What is their justification for cowering in fear? Let’s hear it.
why aren’t you helping to destroy pedophile priests and preachers? Let’s hear your reason for it.
Do you really think a 20 year old muslim is going to quit school just to prove your point? certainly you can do better things to criticize muslims for inactivity (there are actually some active ones that prove that their religion is peaceful and denounce the terrorists). As a matter of fact, how many people do you think are inactive in public life despite the extremists in their religion?
I’ve also heard that the moderates in the war zone can’t speak up still because they’re still afraid of the terrorists and what they will do to them. So which moderates, exactly, are we all talking about?
I’ll be back later tonight, I have to go somewhere. I’ll just remember to tell my muslim friends that you wish they’d all die because they all have ties to muslim terrorists (according to you). That should really make them feel good about non-muslim America. Maybe it’ll make them feel good enough to attack us.
ss: First of all, we don’t know your muslim friends; the theme here is one you have already validated when you wrote: “I’ve also heard that the moderates in the war zone can’t speak up still because they’re still afraid of the terrorists and what they will do to them.”
Those are the “moderate” muslims who will do the bidding of the terrorists because they are afraid of them, or are afraid to even take a chance in acting or speaking out against the terrorists. That’s the point of this article. It doesn’t matter what they say they believe; it’s what they will do or not do when the chips are down that counts. They apparently will follow along because they are too afraid to do the right thing. We can’t trust those muslims. Understand now?
How do you know I am not? How do you know I did not spend my afternoon putting a child molester, a rapist, and a meth dealer through a whisperchipper? In point of fact I did not run away to another country and leave defensless children and women to be tortured, raped, starved, and murdered at the hands of a bunch of non-human deathcult worshippers. No. Your Muslim friends, or their parents, did exactly that. Now we, real humans, must go and clean up the mess they helped, through their personal cowardice, create. Now tell us all how it is their culture and we have no right to judge them. We never get tired of that shit.
I hear about Muslim leaders saying things like that, and things worse then that all the time.
So when I hear experts like Lars Hedegaard say,
or Fjordman say,
And when I read dozens and dozens of articles and interviews on what other experts have to say about
it,
I know we should be worried that the western world is drifting slowly but surely toward a caliphate under sharia law.
I believe it is happening so slowly that most people refuse to believe it.
Hospitals in England have new gowns for Muslim women; a powder blue tent - yes the word burka actually means tent, that is not a joke nor an insult - little concessions here and there and in 25, 50 or who knows how many years our civilization will lost to.
It is too late for Europe, but we are next.
Unless something big, something radical happens...but what?
Not all muslims come from those war-torn countries. These friends of mine are actually born in the U.S. They are U.S. citizens and you want to kill them because you think they’re all against us for being muslim. It’s time to realize that Islam is not a perfectly manufactured, cookie-cut religion. Neither is Christianity.
Also, put yourself in their shoes. If your country was too dangerous for you to stay alive in- would you flee or would you stay? There are plenty of “cowards” in the world, and people flee out of self-preservation. They see that they are better off as a U.S. citizen and proceed to become them. I once met a girl from Afghanistan who was a nurse, helping out all kinds of people here in the U.S.- she had fled, but yet because of people like you, she suffers from prejudice and refuses to tell anyone where she is from because she is afraid that they too will hurt her. As a U.S. citizen, I would do something to make these people respect Americans, such as realizing that not all muslims want to blow up Americans by treating them like the human beings they are. Innocent until guilty of aiding terrorist acts.
You could say the same about Muslims. Just because you don’t hear about them doesn’t mean that the good ones don’t exist. The media is incredibly biased when it comes to violence and tends to group everyone. You can’t use a typical media stereotype on muslims or anyone else for that matter.
ss: As long as the so-called “moderate muslims” can be intimidated into either non-action or cooperation by the violent muslims, the moderates can’t be trusted. What they say about themselves to us isn’t meaningful; what they do when they are tapped by the terrorist is what matters. They need to prove themselves with actions, not words. Our lives and our civilization is at stake.
student student said, I still don’t accept that the people on this site think my muslim friends have close ties to terrorists just because they’re muslim.
Who here believes that?
I have also seen that protestants want to go around telling everyone that they’re going to hell if they don’t convert. Is this really respectful?
So what? You’re talking of annoying behavior and we’re talking of Muslims who can’t accept the answer of “no”. Big difference.
Every religion seems to want to sway the world to come to their side because it is “right”. That also includes Atheism, for those of you who think I’m religion bashing. Everyone does it.
Except most agnostics. So not “everyone”.
My muslim friends never mentioned being muslim and never tried to convert me. However, the mormon friends down the street came by over easter and handed me a mormon bible and a few other things. I suppose in my area, mormons would think that we’re the infidels, and thus want to kill us by the right of God...
Well, you could suppose that, but it doesn’t make it true.
I’ll just remember to tell my muslim friends that you wish they’d all die because they all have ties to muslim terrorists (according to you).
Yeah, when did he say that? Thanks.
That should really make them feel good about non-muslim America. Maybe it’ll make them feel good enough to attack us.
They’ll attack us because you like to instigate and make shit up? So much for being “moderate”.
It’s time to realize that Islam is not a perfectly manufactured, cookie-cut religion. Neither is Christianity.
Why do defenders of Islam have to always reference Christianity? They’re not the same kind of religion. Christianity’s prophet was a decent guy who, by all accounts, never hurt anybody. Contrast that with Islam’s prophet - that guy was war-hungry child molestor.