Is birth control murder too? Is condom use sinful? Are women and families better off breeding uncontrollably like farm aminals?
Bags: With all due respect, this is very old territory. At the moment of conception, a complete and unique human DNA sequence is created, which follows that individual for the rest of his or her life. If your DNA is found at a crime scene, it establishes that you were there. All the blather about “fetus” is simply untrue. It’s a “human fetus”, and it’s human. It’s also true that about 95% of abortions are done for birth control purposes. If you favor human feticide for birth control purposes, just say so, but don’t pretend that: It’s not human, because it is, and that the mother and her child have divergent interests. The responsibility for conception rests entirely with the mother, except in the rare instance of rape, and even then, it is strange to punish the human fetus with the death penalty for something it didn’t do.
Also, attributing the so-called “partial birth” abortions to medical reasons of any kind is simply untrue. A malformed human fetus, incapable of life, is generally rejected naturally by the mother’s body, with no medical intervention being required. They are simply more abortions for birth control purposes.
In case you haven’t figured it out yet, any birth control method that prevents conception is not killing a human being.
The “mother’s health” excuse is also pure crap. That’s just a CYA for the abortionist.
How do you feel about the huge profits being made by the abortion provider corps?
robert108 - 11:10am on 10/19/2007
Is birth control murder too? Is condom use sinful?
Preconception is not murder.
I don’t like abortions either.
Why don’t you like abortion? You don’t think it’s murder.
are usually done due the fetus being malformed
translation: killing unborn children is ok if they are crippled
or the mother’s health being in jeopardy.
When a mother’s life is in jeopardy from a pregnancy, (very rare), the solution should not be “how do we kill this unborn child”. The solution is, how can we save the mother’s life? And if that means early delivery of the baby, fine. Why does it need to mean, “go in with a scalpels and cut it to pieces?”
george - 11:10am on 10/19/2007
Thanks for pointing that out. I know it’s old territory, sorry for boring you guys. I guess my argument was kind of silly, huh. Now, let’s stop arguing about something that clearly shouldn’t be an issue because it’s already written into law so we know everyone universally accepts what you’re saying as irrefutable fact, and go convict all of these women who have abortions and give them the death penalty for murder! Yay pro-life! This is fun.
Bags - 11:10am on 10/19/2007
Why don’t you like abortion? You don’t think it’s murder.
You’re right! Because I don’t agree with you that the government should outlaw a woman from choosing what to do, I love abortions! I wake up every day hoping that every pregnant woman wants to have an abortion, so that me and my godless, murderous ilk can gleefully perform as many as possible.
Bags - 12:10pm on 10/19/2007
Because I don’t agree with you that the government should outlaw a woman from choosing what to do…
The govt “outlaws” women from doing lots of things, like commit murder, armed robbery, burglary, DUI, etc.
Those are not legitimate “choices” for women, and including feticide against her own baby isn’t outside that realm. In fact, Roe actually sanctions irresponsible behavior, like having sex when you don’t want children. If you have sex, there is the possibility of creating a human life, and that is the woman’s responsibility, except in cases of rape, as I have said before. If a “woman’s right to choose” is so important to you, why is the baby’s right to live so unimportant to you? Are you really so subversive that you would attempt to drive a wedge between mothers and their children? How far are you willing to go to acquire political power?
...go convict all of these women who
have abortions and give them the death penalty for murder!
Once again, you go loony on what might have been a reasoned debate. No matter. It is wrong for SCOTUS to amend the Constitution without going through the amendment process spelled out in the Constitution. Roe should be overturned on that basis alone, and the abortion matter should be returned to local control, like it should have been all along. Let the people vote in each community whether or not they want a giant abortion corporation to set up shop in their neighborhood.
robert108 - 12:10pm on 10/19/2007
How far are you willing to go to acquire political power?
Are you serious? As I’ve tried to point out through this entire discussion, I’m not some fanatic who favors abortion over all other things. I don’t think women should be acting irresponsibly, constantly having unprotected sex resulting in multiple abortions. Because I don’t view abortion as murder, doesn’t mean destroying the potential for human life isn’t a difficult and heart-breaking moral decision.
Once again, you go loony on what might have been a reasoned debate
That’s my knee-jerk reaction when someone asks me “if it’s not murder, why don’t you like abortion?” That’s not only insulting, but it’s completely absurd.
Let the people vote in each community whether or not they want a giant abortion corporation to set up shop in their neighborhood.
Fine. Let the people decide. However saying that is far less insulting than calling people who feel it’s the right of a woman or a family to choose when they want to have a child a murderer. As my good friend george here continues to point out, either I must think abortion should be universally abolished, or I’m a cold-blooded killer.
Bags - 01:10pm on 10/19/2007
Because I don’t view abortion as murder, I don’t either; murder is illegal killing, so I have consistently referred to it as “killing”. doesn’t mean destroying the potential for human life It’s not “potential”; it is life. If that human fetus wasn’t alive, it wouldn’t be necessary to kill it. isn’t a difficult and heart-breaking moral decision. Taking an innocent life out of a desire to avoid responsibility and inconvenience should be a difficult and heart-breaking decision, moral and otherwise.
I’m not discussing this with george, I’m discussing it with you. You replied to my first comment calling it killing with the usual feminist chatter about the human fetus not being human, which is just wrong.
robert108 - 01:10pm on 10/19/2007
Bags: In regard to my comment about acquiring political power, the abortion issue has been used by the Dems for decades to hold on to the female vote, with the lie that they are for “a woman’s choice”. You can’t be ignorant of the fact that you are supporting that cause.
Bags: With all due respect, this is very old territory. At the moment of conception, a complete and unique human DNA sequence is created, which follows that individual for the rest of his or her life. If your DNA is found at a crime scene, it establishes that you were there. All the blather about “fetus” is simply untrue. It’s a “human fetus”, and it’s human. It’s also true that about 95% of abortions are done for birth control purposes. If you favor human feticide for birth control purposes, just say so, but don’t pretend that: It’s not human, because it is, and that the mother and her child have divergent interests. The responsibility for conception rests entirely with the mother, except in the rare instance of rape, and even then, it is strange to punish the human fetus with the death penalty for something it didn’t do.
Also, attributing the so-called “partial birth” abortions to medical reasons of any kind is simply untrue. A malformed human fetus, incapable of life, is generally rejected naturally by the mother’s body, with no medical intervention being required. They are simply more abortions for birth control purposes.
In case you haven’t figured it out yet, any birth control method that prevents conception is not killing a human being.
The “mother’s health” excuse is also pure crap. That’s just a CYA for the abortionist.
How do you feel about the huge profits being made by the abortion provider corps?
Preconception is not murder.
Why don’t you like abortion? You don’t think it’s murder.
translation: killing unborn children is ok if they are crippled
When a mother’s life is in jeopardy from a pregnancy, (very rare), the solution should not be “how do we kill this unborn child”. The solution is, how can we save the mother’s life? And if that means early delivery of the baby, fine. Why does it need to mean, “go in with a scalpels and cut it to pieces?”
Thanks for pointing that out. I know it’s old territory, sorry for boring you guys. I guess my argument was kind of silly, huh. Now, let’s stop arguing about something that clearly shouldn’t be an issue because it’s already written into law so we know everyone universally accepts what you’re saying as irrefutable fact, and go convict all of these women who have abortions and give them the death penalty for murder! Yay pro-life! This is fun.
You’re right! Because I don’t agree with you that the government should outlaw a woman from choosing what to do, I love abortions! I wake up every day hoping that every pregnant woman wants to have an abortion, so that me and my godless, murderous ilk can gleefully perform as many as possible.
The govt “outlaws” women from doing lots of things, like commit murder, armed robbery, burglary, DUI, etc.
Those are not legitimate “choices” for women, and including feticide against her own baby isn’t outside that realm. In fact, Roe actually sanctions irresponsible behavior, like having sex when you don’t want children. If you have sex, there is the possibility of creating a human life, and that is the woman’s responsibility, except in cases of rape, as I have said before. If a “woman’s right to choose” is so important to you, why is the baby’s right to live so unimportant to you? Are you really so subversive that you would attempt to drive a wedge between mothers and their children? How far are you willing to go to acquire political power?
Here’s a site I’d recommend for you:
http://www.feministsforlife.org/
Once again, you go loony on what might have been a reasoned debate. No matter. It is wrong for SCOTUS to amend the Constitution without going through the amendment process spelled out in the Constitution. Roe should be overturned on that basis alone, and the abortion matter should be returned to local control, like it should have been all along. Let the people vote in each community whether or not they want a giant abortion corporation to set up shop in their neighborhood.
Are you serious? As I’ve tried to point out through this entire discussion, I’m not some fanatic who favors abortion over all other things. I don’t think women should be acting irresponsibly, constantly having unprotected sex resulting in multiple abortions. Because I don’t view abortion as murder, doesn’t mean destroying the potential for human life isn’t a difficult and heart-breaking moral decision.
That’s my knee-jerk reaction when someone asks me “if it’s not murder, why don’t you like abortion?” That’s not only insulting, but it’s completely absurd.
Fine. Let the people decide. However saying that is far less insulting than calling people who feel it’s the right of a woman or a family to choose when they want to have a child a murderer. As my good friend george here continues to point out, either I must think abortion should be universally abolished, or I’m a cold-blooded killer.
I’m not discussing this with george, I’m discussing it with you. You replied to my first comment calling it killing with the usual feminist chatter about the human fetus not being human, which is just wrong.
Bags: In regard to my comment about acquiring political power, the abortion issue has been used by the Dems for decades to hold on to the female vote, with the lie that they are for “a woman’s choice”. You can’t be ignorant of the fact that you are supporting that cause.