Dave: You are such the vegan evangelist! I doubt that McDonald’s wants Burger King to go out of business; they just want to make more profit by selling more product. You also neglect the suffering caused by the shutdown of the dairy industry. It would increase human suffering by quite a bit, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you. Since WalMart doesn’t employ 10 year olds, your example is nonsensical. Besides, their parents wouldn’t let them. It’s not economic, it’s cultural. I have milked dairy cows, btw, and they seem to enjoy it. It might increase their suffering not to get milked. Ever think of that?
robert108 - 01:02pm on 02/10/2006
There’s milk and then there is real milk. The milk that most of us drink is pasteurized and homogenized, a heating process that destroys most if not all the natural nutrients contained in fresh milk. Vitamins and minerals are artificially added to the finished product to give it the pretense of something beneficial.
Any of you that have ever drank fresh dairy milk can tell the difference.
docdave - 02:02pm on 02/10/2006
For example, if Wal-Mart wanted to [offer xyz set of employee benefits] to stock their shelves and [pay them less than $12] an hour, I wouldn’t want the government to tell them they couldn’t.
The liberal perspective would be for the government to intervene and shut them down. The libertarian perspective (at least, the animal welfare libertarian perspective) would be to hope enough people turn vegan to make dairy farms unprofitable, and thus close down.
So, then what Maryland did was wrong by your standards? Where are you at crusading against the evils of the Maryland decision on Walmart. Get your libertarian buddies together and stop these fools in charge of government form harming Walmart.
Justin B - 03:02pm on 02/10/2006
Robert108: If you had lived in 1830, would you have bought cotton that was picked by slaves?
You see, I wouldn’t, with the belief that if enough people followed suit slavery would end because it would simply become unprofitable.
I apply that exact same mindset to the dairy industry.
Dave - 08:02pm on 02/10/2006
Dave: Your hypotheticals are funny, but that’s about it. You still don’t seem to be able to get a simple truth: Humans are not cows! BTW, speaking from experience, both cows and human females like to be milked, but for entirely different reasons. I can’t account for your mindset, I just don’t agree with it. Your equivalences just don’t make any sense.
robert108 - 10:02pm on 02/10/2006
From your lack of a response, I take it you WOULD have bought cotton made from slave labor, which explains wonders about your mindset.
Dave - 06:02am on 02/11/2006
From milk to cotton, how you all have strayed. For those that don’t know history, the purchasers of cotton didn’t much care how it was harvested. If the subject is southern cotton, the northern anti-slavery states wanted the cotton for their fledgeling textile industries at a favorable price so they could compete with the British textile industry who was the principle customer of southern cotton.
docdave - 07:02am on 02/11/2006
”Any of you that have ever drank fresh dairy milk can tell the difference.”
For this reason I stopped drinking milk after my family moved to the US. After drinking fresh milk from my grandfather’s cattle that my grandmother had pasturised at the kitchen stove the stuff in your average American grocery store tasted like dirty water.
I was always suspicious of the dairy industry so enthusiastically proclaiming that their product was all that and a bag of chips. What else were they going to say about it, “Our stuff’s really not that good for you but please drink it any way?”
“I don’t care about milk drinking, but I do care about cheese. Sweet, delicious, life-giving Cheese, proof of God’s existence and benevolence...”
Dave: I’m not responsible for your assumptions. As I said before, your hypothetical is nonsensical. If you had been alive in 1830, what would you have done? How could you know? Would you have been blogging then?
robert108 - 10:02am on 02/11/2006
Dave, no matter how you try to twist it dairy cows are not equivalent to human plantation slaves.
Dave: You are such the vegan evangelist! I doubt that McDonald’s wants Burger King to go out of business; they just want to make more profit by selling more product. You also neglect the suffering caused by the shutdown of the dairy industry. It would increase human suffering by quite a bit, but that doesn’t seem to matter to you. Since WalMart doesn’t employ 10 year olds, your example is nonsensical. Besides, their parents wouldn’t let them. It’s not economic, it’s cultural. I have milked dairy cows, btw, and they seem to enjoy it. It might increase their suffering not to get milked. Ever think of that?
There’s milk and then there is real milk. The milk that most of us drink is pasteurized and homogenized, a heating process that destroys most if not all the natural nutrients contained in fresh milk. Vitamins and minerals are artificially added to the finished product to give it the pretense of something beneficial.
Any of you that have ever drank fresh dairy milk can tell the difference.
So, then what Maryland did was wrong by your standards? Where are you at crusading against the evils of the Maryland decision on Walmart. Get your libertarian buddies together and stop these fools in charge of government form harming Walmart.
Robert108: If you had lived in 1830, would you have bought cotton that was picked by slaves?
You see, I wouldn’t, with the belief that if enough people followed suit slavery would end because it would simply become unprofitable.
I apply that exact same mindset to the dairy industry.
Dave: Your hypotheticals are funny, but that’s about it. You still don’t seem to be able to get a simple truth: Humans are not cows! BTW, speaking from experience, both cows and human females like to be milked, but for entirely different reasons. I can’t account for your mindset, I just don’t agree with it. Your equivalences just don’t make any sense.
From your lack of a response, I take it you WOULD have bought cotton made from slave labor, which explains wonders about your mindset.
From milk to cotton, how you all have strayed. For those that don’t know history, the purchasers of cotton didn’t much care how it was harvested. If the subject is southern cotton, the northern anti-slavery states wanted the cotton for their fledgeling textile industries at a favorable price so they could compete with the British textile industry who was the principle customer of southern cotton.
”Any of you that have ever drank fresh dairy milk can tell the difference.”
For this reason I stopped drinking milk after my family moved to the US. After drinking fresh milk from my grandfather’s cattle that my grandmother had pasturised at the kitchen stove the stuff in your average American grocery store tasted like dirty water.
I was always suspicious of the dairy industry so enthusiastically proclaiming that their product was all that and a bag of chips. What else were they going to say about it, “Our stuff’s really not that good for you but please drink it any way?”
“I don’t care about milk drinking, but I do care about cheese. Sweet, delicious, life-giving Cheese, proof of God’s existence and benevolence...”
Don’t forget butter. Sweet, salty, homemade butter, mmmm…
Dave: I’m not responsible for your assumptions. As I said before, your hypothetical is nonsensical. If you had been alive in 1830, what would you have done? How could you know? Would you have been blogging then?
Dave, no matter how you try to twist it dairy cows are not equivalent to human plantation slaves.
It just doesn’t work that way.