r108: Which is probably why McCain has been saying - as late as today - that securing the border will be his first priority, to be certified by the border state governors.
Yeah, I meant ‘could be’.
pparets - 03:05pm on 05/05/2008
Winning the presidency means winning voters and blocs of voters.
Exactly, pparets. Politics is about ADDITION, not subtraction. It’s the most fundamental rule of politics there is.
the “wooing” in the past has produced the present wholesale invasion problem
So, you just made that up because it sounded good to you? That’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard.
I suppose they’d all leave if everyone talked about it just like Malkin and VDARE do, right?
Yeah, speaking to identity groups caused all the illegal immigration. Right. (But only with Hispanic identity groups!)
Beth - 04:05pm on 05/05/2008
Exactly, pparets. Politics is about ADDITION, not subtraction. It’s the most fundamental rule of politics there is.
How is subtracting people who object to open borders considered addition? Let’s face it the only reason why he’d go to that specific group is to reassure them he’s not one bit serious about border security and 100% for amnesty as soon as he can get it pushed through.
I’ve seen polls that say many Hispanics don’t like illegal immigration to. They probably don’t like being pandered to as well.
The Whistler - 04:05pm on 05/05/2008
So, you just made that up because it sounded good to you? That’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard.
Actually, it’s factually correct. The last President who acted strongly against invasion was “Operation Wetback” during the Eisenhower administration, which was spectacularly successful. All the “wooing” since has led to a massive invader population in the US. The “wooing” being permissive border “enforcement” and policies that wink at the invaders coming into our country. Your denial of this obvious truth is absurd, Beth.
robert108 - 05:05pm on 05/05/2008
Could be, r108. But the reality is that there are millions of hispanic votes in key swing states.
You’re not getting it; the “swing” voters(some of whom are either natural-born hispanic US citizens or naturalized legal US citizens) don’t like the invaders either, and the candidate who “seizes the day” on preventing further invasion will pull them, a much greater number(including conservative and moderate Dems) who don’t like the invasion either.
Once again, be reminded of the massive response to McCain’s amnesty bill. It was bipartisan.
robert108 - 05:05pm on 05/05/2008
I’m pretty sure there are ways to appeal to Hispanic without assuming that all Hispanics are illegal aliens and not to pander to the illegals.
On the other way there isn’t much of a way that’s better to alienate a large chunk of the Republican base than doing just that.
The Whistler - 05:05pm on 05/05/2008
McCain proves again he is wrong, wrong, wrong on shamesty and immigration.
goon - 06:05pm on 05/05/2008
robert108: Oh, I get it. And you’re the one who doesn’t.
Hispanics now constitute the largest minority in the nation, and like all voting blocs, they have various points of view on immigration [despite your claims otherwise], abortion, the economy and a whole range of issues.
Unlike African-Americans, the hispanic vote is much more fluid and “up for grabs”. In several key swing states, it is the Latino vote which may determine who gets the electoral votes. Any candidate who seriously wants to win must make it a point to woo the hispanic vote.
You seem not to have noticed that Senator McCain throughout this campaign has steadfastly pledged that border security will be his first priority, or you assume that he is being deceitful.
You also assume that McCain’s attention to Latinos is somehow a violation of conservative principles and an indication of his rino inclinations.
I don’t believe that is true, but even if it were, McCain would still be preferable to either of the socialists running on the democratic side.
pparets - 06:05pm on 05/05/2008
]but I will take credible experienced professionals over your thoughts on the effects of this political move
You mean like the same kind who pushed Obama into the national spotlight without learning about (or ignoring) Rezko, Wright, Marshall, or Akers. Or, the same professionals who see which way the political winds blow by divining those oh-so-reliable political surveys. McCain’s counting on the conservatives being so repulsed by Clinton and Obama that they’ll come out and vote for him just for spite of those two.
Hoss - 06:05pm on 05/05/2008
You seem not to have noticed that Senator McCain throughout this campaign has steadfastly pledged that border security will be his first priority, or you assume that he is being deceitful.
That is what he has said, McCain has given Conservative nothing to believe that he is going to do a good job with Immigration. IF John is able to win election I can see abandoning the very conservatives that he is wooing.
r108: Which is probably why McCain has been saying - as late as today - that securing the border will be his first priority, to be certified by the border state governors.
Yeah, I meant ‘could be’.
Exactly, pparets. Politics is about ADDITION, not subtraction. It’s the most fundamental rule of politics there is.
So, you just made that up because it sounded good to you? That’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard.
I suppose they’d all leave if everyone talked about it just like Malkin and VDARE do, right?
Yeah, speaking to identity groups caused all the illegal immigration. Right. (But only with Hispanic identity groups!)
How is subtracting people who object to open borders considered addition? Let’s face it the only reason why he’d go to that specific group is to reassure them he’s not one bit serious about border security and 100% for amnesty as soon as he can get it pushed through.
I’ve seen polls that say many Hispanics don’t like illegal immigration to. They probably don’t like being pandered to as well.
Actually, it’s factually correct. The last President who acted strongly against invasion was “Operation Wetback” during the Eisenhower administration, which was spectacularly successful. All the “wooing” since has led to a massive invader population in the US. The “wooing” being permissive border “enforcement” and policies that wink at the invaders coming into our country. Your denial of this obvious truth is absurd, Beth.
You’re not getting it; the “swing” voters(some of whom are either natural-born hispanic US citizens or naturalized legal US citizens) don’t like the invaders either, and the candidate who “seizes the day” on preventing further invasion will pull them, a much greater number(including conservative and moderate Dems) who don’t like the invasion either.
Once again, be reminded of the massive response to McCain’s amnesty bill. It was bipartisan.
I’m pretty sure there are ways to appeal to Hispanic without assuming that all Hispanics are illegal aliens and not to pander to the illegals.
On the other way there isn’t much of a way that’s better to alienate a large chunk of the Republican base than doing just that.
McCain proves again he is wrong, wrong, wrong on shamesty and immigration.
robert108: Oh, I get it. And you’re the one who doesn’t.
Hispanics now constitute the largest minority in the nation, and like all voting blocs, they have various points of view on immigration [despite your claims otherwise], abortion, the economy and a whole range of issues.
Unlike African-Americans, the hispanic vote is much more fluid and “up for grabs”. In several key swing states, it is the Latino vote which may determine who gets the electoral votes. Any candidate who seriously wants to win must make it a point to woo the hispanic vote.
You seem not to have noticed that Senator McCain throughout this campaign has steadfastly pledged that border security will be his first priority, or you assume that he is being deceitful.
You also assume that McCain’s attention to Latinos is somehow a violation of conservative principles and an indication of his rino inclinations.
I don’t believe that is true, but even if it were, McCain would still be preferable to either of the socialists running on the democratic side.
You mean like the same kind who pushed Obama into the national spotlight without learning about (or ignoring) Rezko, Wright, Marshall, or Akers. Or, the same professionals who see which way the political winds blow by divining those oh-so-reliable political surveys. McCain’s counting on the conservatives being so repulsed by Clinton and Obama that they’ll come out and vote for him just for spite of those two.
That is what he has said, McCain has given Conservative nothing to believe that he is going to do a good job with Immigration. IF John is able to win election I can see abandoning the very conservatives that he is wooing.