Pal2Pal, perhaps you ought to NAME a single instance that would demonstrate this? Sorry, but perhaps you ought to consider, like, you know, FACTS before pulling a “rectal data extraction” like you just did.
There are things that are debateable about Mike Huckabee; his tax record, spending, and his tendency to give too much authority to government. However, I’ve yet to see any evidence of any bigotry on his part.
Also, those of you who would rather vote for Obama than a McCain-Huckabee ticket....my goodness, even if ALL of the claims about Huckabee being a big spender were true Huckabee would still be a Reagan compared to Obama’s Teddy Kennedy. The same holds for McCain.
Bike Bubba - 03:05pm on 05/12/2008
Pal2Pal, since when does being a former pastor make a man a “religious bigot?” Sorry, but if you want to make such claims, you’d better have some evidence.
I can say some things about Huckabee. Yes, spending and taxes did increase while he was governor--we can honestly debate whether it was a good long term investment, or to what extent the courts were liable. We can also discuss Huckabee’s tendency to see a government solution where libertarians certainly wouldn’t.
However, accusing him of “religious bigotry” is flat out libel. Conservatives do themselves no favors by descending to unfounded allegations like this.
Bike Bubba - 03:05pm on 05/12/2008
Bubba: I never said I would vote for Obama over McCain/Huckabee, I said I would do a write-in for Romney. And to answer your question, go back and read the threads that have long discussions about how Mormons aren’t Christians, etc. Huckster is a religious bigot.
Pal2Pal - 03:05pm on 05/12/2008
Pal2Pal, not what he said, and even if he had said so, it’s the fact. Mormon beliefs contradict orthodox Christian beliefs on any number of issues, and it’s not bigotry to point that out any more than it is to say that observant Jews or Muslims are also not Christians.
Get over it. Huckabee has done things to give fiscal conservatives pause. He’s not shown religious bigotry.
Bike Bubba - 04:05pm on 05/12/2008
Ah, Bubba, the view from the inside out is always different from the view from the outside in. And be careful, I happen to be very supportive of the Mormon faith and lifestyle as my son and daughter are LDS and so was their Grandma before her death. I personally do not believe in any organized religion, preferring instead to keep my relationship to God on a personal level rather than using middle men to tell me what I’m supposed to believe because “they” have their truth.
Christ believed in the God of the Old Testament, the God of Abraham. The early Christian church were Messianic Jews. I like the direct route, not the route through Paul with all his manmade and arbitrary rules that have nothing to do with either God or Christ when you strip it down to basics.
Pal2Pal - 04:05pm on 05/12/2008
There is one person McLame can bring to the ticket who would actually help his chances: Gov. Bobby Jinday of Louisiana. This guy was on C-Span a few days ago and, OMG, he out-"Obama"d Obama. What a speaker! And he’s, what, 40 years old? And a minority! And...conservative (shhh, better not let Ol’ Johnnie hear that or he’ll drop him off any list of possible VPs for sure).
WhatTha? - 05:05pm on 05/12/2008
A McCain/Huckabee ticket would be a possible winner. But he would not get the mormon vote and I don’t know how big that vote is. They are mad at him about that one off hand comment of his. It is the ONLY one I heard that could lead to a question of bigotry but the mormons took a major offense to it.
Otherwise, I believe it would bring in pretty much all the evangelicals which is likely the calculation McCain is making.
palmeranian - 06:05pm on 05/12/2008
John McCain must pick a VP candidate who will appeal to the broadest possible number of voters of every persuasion and serve as attack dog on the campaign trail.
pparets - 06:05pm on 05/12/2008
Linda, putting forward that Time magazine loved him, and a heavily Democrat state voted for him TWICE means little to conservatives or libertarians.
As FactCheck.org notes, his claims of cutting taxes are lies. Tax cuts from previous administrations had gone through...and overall he RAISED taxes. He raised taxes and raised spending. Claiming that no one will care about this is foolish.
Couple that with a McCain open border-esque policy, terrible foreign policy, and support of the welfare state that would repulse even Clinton, and you have a campaign that will go down in flames.
Kenny - 08:05pm on 05/12/2008
Pal2Pal, you’re starting with the assumption that orthodox Christianity--the one that accepts the Bible as agreed upon at the Council of Nicea--is not orthodox Christianity.
Nice try, but you can’t lead your argument by denying what over a billion Christians accept as integral parts of the faith.
And to the subject; let’s be serious. The fiscal conservative’s worst nightmare is NOT McCain-Huckabee. It is Obama & whoever. Until we conservatives get that through our heads (where are all those guys advocating party discipline again?), we’re going to lose a lot of elections that we otherwise could have won.
To use a sports analogy, Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler won a lot of games not by concentrating on the goal line, but on getting 3 or 4 yards closer to the first down. Advancing the ball will eventually get you a score.
Pal2Pal, perhaps you ought to NAME a single instance that would demonstrate this? Sorry, but perhaps you ought to consider, like, you know, FACTS before pulling a “rectal data extraction” like you just did.
There are things that are debateable about Mike Huckabee; his tax record, spending, and his tendency to give too much authority to government. However, I’ve yet to see any evidence of any bigotry on his part.
Also, those of you who would rather vote for Obama than a McCain-Huckabee ticket....my goodness, even if ALL of the claims about Huckabee being a big spender were true Huckabee would still be a Reagan compared to Obama’s Teddy Kennedy. The same holds for McCain.
Pal2Pal, since when does being a former pastor make a man a “religious bigot?” Sorry, but if you want to make such claims, you’d better have some evidence.
I can say some things about Huckabee. Yes, spending and taxes did increase while he was governor--we can honestly debate whether it was a good long term investment, or to what extent the courts were liable. We can also discuss Huckabee’s tendency to see a government solution where libertarians certainly wouldn’t.
However, accusing him of “religious bigotry” is flat out libel. Conservatives do themselves no favors by descending to unfounded allegations like this.
Bubba: I never said I would vote for Obama over McCain/Huckabee, I said I would do a write-in for Romney. And to answer your question, go back and read the threads that have long discussions about how Mormons aren’t Christians, etc. Huckster is a religious bigot.
Pal2Pal, not what he said, and even if he had said so, it’s the fact. Mormon beliefs contradict orthodox Christian beliefs on any number of issues, and it’s not bigotry to point that out any more than it is to say that observant Jews or Muslims are also not Christians.
Get over it. Huckabee has done things to give fiscal conservatives pause. He’s not shown religious bigotry.
Ah, Bubba, the view from the inside out is always different from the view from the outside in. And be careful, I happen to be very supportive of the Mormon faith and lifestyle as my son and daughter are LDS and so was their Grandma before her death. I personally do not believe in any organized religion, preferring instead to keep my relationship to God on a personal level rather than using middle men to tell me what I’m supposed to believe because “they” have their truth.
Christ believed in the God of the Old Testament, the God of Abraham. The early Christian church were Messianic Jews. I like the direct route, not the route through Paul with all his manmade and arbitrary rules that have nothing to do with either God or Christ when you strip it down to basics.
There is one person McLame can bring to the ticket who would actually help his chances: Gov. Bobby Jinday of Louisiana. This guy was on C-Span a few days ago and, OMG, he out-"Obama"d Obama. What a speaker! And he’s, what, 40 years old? And a minority! And...conservative (shhh, better not let Ol’ Johnnie hear that or he’ll drop him off any list of possible VPs for sure).
A McCain/Huckabee ticket would be a possible winner. But he would not get the mormon vote and I don’t know how big that vote is. They are mad at him about that one off hand comment of his. It is the ONLY one I heard that could lead to a question of bigotry but the mormons took a major offense to it.
Otherwise, I believe it would bring in pretty much all the evangelicals which is likely the calculation McCain is making.
John McCain must pick a VP candidate who will appeal to the broadest possible number of voters of every persuasion and serve as attack dog on the campaign trail.
Linda, putting forward that Time magazine loved him, and a heavily Democrat state voted for him TWICE means little to conservatives or libertarians.
As FactCheck.org notes, his claims of cutting taxes are lies. Tax cuts from previous administrations had gone through...and overall he RAISED taxes. He raised taxes and raised spending. Claiming that no one will care about this is foolish.
Couple that with a McCain open border-esque policy, terrible foreign policy, and support of the welfare state that would repulse even Clinton, and you have a campaign that will go down in flames.
Pal2Pal, you’re starting with the assumption that orthodox Christianity--the one that accepts the Bible as agreed upon at the Council of Nicea--is not orthodox Christianity.
Nice try, but you can’t lead your argument by denying what over a billion Christians accept as integral parts of the faith.
And to the subject; let’s be serious. The fiscal conservative’s worst nightmare is NOT McCain-Huckabee. It is Obama & whoever. Until we conservatives get that through our heads (where are all those guys advocating party discipline again?), we’re going to lose a lot of elections that we otherwise could have won.
To use a sports analogy, Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler won a lot of games not by concentrating on the goal line, but on getting 3 or 4 yards closer to the first down. Advancing the ball will eventually get you a score.