Yeah, I saw that the other day, way cool. Also a hell of a good answer for all those people who question whether we should support our ally Israel or to let them fend for themselves.
Seth Williams - 07:04pm on 04/16/2006
Greetings,
I was thinking that this is hollywood fx propaganda, analagous to the missile that can evade radar or the super cavitation-ride torpedo/missile. What device would, all at the same time, be able to take out an RPG ot TOW round yet not be mountable to a helicopter or disabling to IEDs, and after all that still not cook the crew? Has Fox been spoofed? Anyone know the source on the video?
Adam
Adam - 05:04pm on 04/17/2006
Adam, I think that this may be something like the AEGIS system that’s on Naval vessels. That would explain why it wouldn’t work on IEDs: such a system can take out a projectile in flight, but not a blast front. If you look close at the slow motion demos, it looks like there are some small projectiles moving past the incoming projectile before it is destroyed.
Pure speculation, but it makes sense to me based on the video.
Seth Williams - 05:04pm on 04/17/2006
It does appear to be a missle killing weapons system, not a"force feild" surrounding the vehicle. Problem is,how many incomers can it stop, can it stop multiples from different directions, what does it add weight and electical system dragwise? Also, can troops operate in the immediate vicinty of vehicles using this system? Does you no good if your infantry is killed by your own defensive weapons.
TwoHotel9 - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
More speculation: multiple targets might give it a problem. It probably doesn’t engage things at non-ballistic speeds.
And yes, those are utterly guesses, based on my original premise of an AEGIS-like system.
Seth Williams - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
The source of the video is Fox News. And looking at it closely, I tend to disagree that it is a "projectile-type" system such as Aegis. Rather it seems to be a high energy pulse system which destroys not the RPG itself, but the guidance and/or detonator in the nose of the round or projectile being attacked.
Aside from the science/technology involved, what’s fascinating is the applicability of such a system. Tanks, APCs, helicopters, aircraft, including one day fighters such as the F-22 Raptor or F-117 stealth fighters and B-2 stealth bombers.
And if a system such as this can protect a tank or a Blackhawk or Cobra helicopter, how about a building, an entire military installation, or eventually a city?
And while we’re speculating, I wonder how much of the basic science that begat this system came for the original directed high energy physics reasearch that was part of SDI? Thank you, Ronald Reagan!
Bat One - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
My guess is it’s some kind of short range microwave or sonic device. Push enough sound at something and it will feel like a brick wall… setting the device off…
Pure speculation, of course.
Seth Yantiss - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
Upon watching it a second time, I tend to think Seth Yantiss is probably more or less right, although I think it’s maybe some sort of EMP counter measure (defeats the fuse, but not the kinetic energy--as stated in the video). It’s specifically for explosive projectiles, I presume a tank sabot round would still be effective.
Seth Williams - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
I would imagine that there’s a limit to the utility of this weapon.
At the range it appears to work the warhead and missle remnents are still very dangerous. Would they still take out an armoured Humvee? I suppose it’s probably better than taking the shaped charge.
I’m thinking that an RPG would not have any effect on an M1A tank. I understand that the high-tech layered armour is like 17 inches of cold rolled steel.
A Bradley fight vehicle or the type is probaly where it’s best suited. The Bradley has aluminum armour so it likely needs all the help it can get.
The.Whistler - 06:04pm on 04/17/2006
Whistler,
For the present you are probably right. Particularly is this is some sort of a high energy weapons system, rather than projectile based, as it appears to be.
But expanding capacity and capability, while diminishing size is an exercise that we, and the Israelis, are very, very good at. How much capacity did you get for the last $100 you spent on a computer hard drive? Remember those old graphics card, the ones that were half the size of your motherboard, cost two or three times as much, and came with an amazing 4 megs of RAM?
Yeah, I saw that the other day, way cool. Also a hell of a good answer for all those people who question whether we should support our ally Israel or to let them fend for themselves.
Greetings,
I was thinking that this is hollywood fx propaganda, analagous to the missile that can evade radar or the super cavitation-ride torpedo/missile. What device would, all at the same time, be able to take out an RPG ot TOW round yet not be mountable to a helicopter or disabling to IEDs, and after all that still not cook the crew? Has Fox been spoofed? Anyone know the source on the video?
Adam
Adam, I think that this may be something like the AEGIS system that’s on Naval vessels. That would explain why it wouldn’t work on IEDs: such a system can take out a projectile in flight, but not a blast front. If you look close at the slow motion demos, it looks like there are some small projectiles moving past the incoming projectile before it is destroyed.
Pure speculation, but it makes sense to me based on the video.
It does appear to be a missle killing weapons system, not a"force feild" surrounding the vehicle. Problem is,how many incomers can it stop, can it stop multiples from different directions, what does it add weight and electical system dragwise? Also, can troops operate in the immediate vicinty of vehicles using this system? Does you no good if your infantry is killed by your own defensive weapons.
More speculation: multiple targets might give it a problem. It probably doesn’t engage things at non-ballistic speeds.
And yes, those are utterly guesses, based on my original premise of an AEGIS-like system.
The source of the video is Fox News. And looking at it closely, I tend to disagree that it is a "projectile-type" system such as Aegis. Rather it seems to be a high energy pulse system which destroys not the RPG itself, but the guidance and/or detonator in the nose of the round or projectile being attacked.
Aside from the science/technology involved, what’s fascinating is the applicability of such a system. Tanks, APCs, helicopters, aircraft, including one day fighters such as the F-22 Raptor or F-117 stealth fighters and B-2 stealth bombers.
And if a system such as this can protect a tank or a Blackhawk or Cobra helicopter, how about a building, an entire military installation, or eventually a city?
And while we’re speculating, I wonder how much of the basic science that begat this system came for the original directed high energy physics reasearch that was part of SDI? Thank you, Ronald Reagan!
My guess is it’s some kind of short range microwave or sonic device. Push enough sound at something and it will feel like a brick wall… setting the device off…
Pure speculation, of course.
Upon watching it a second time, I tend to think Seth Yantiss is probably more or less right, although I think it’s maybe some sort of EMP counter measure (defeats the fuse, but not the kinetic energy--as stated in the video). It’s specifically for explosive projectiles, I presume a tank sabot round would still be effective.
I would imagine that there’s a limit to the utility of this weapon.
At the range it appears to work the warhead and missle remnents are still very dangerous. Would they still take out an armoured Humvee? I suppose it’s probably better than taking the shaped charge.
I’m thinking that an RPG would not have any effect on an M1A tank. I understand that the high-tech layered armour is like 17 inches of cold rolled steel.
A Bradley fight vehicle or the type is probaly where it’s best suited. The Bradley has aluminum armour so it likely needs all the help it can get.
Whistler,
For the present you are probably right. Particularly is this is some sort of a high energy weapons system, rather than projectile based, as it appears to be.
But expanding capacity and capability, while diminishing size is an exercise that we, and the Israelis, are very, very good at. How much capacity did you get for the last $100 you spent on a computer hard drive? Remember those old graphics card, the ones that were half the size of your motherboard, cost two or three times as much, and came with an amazing 4 megs of RAM?