there certainly is no information that gives any of you cause to conclude the things you do.
I agree.
pparets - 07:07pm on 07/04/2009
Liberals are not really Americans anymore..
mudcat on July 4, 2009 at 06:24 pm
Fuck you,fuck your wife, sister, mother, daughter and everything you hold dear you fucking bastard.
Who the fuck you think you are?
And who the fuck appointed you arbiter of who is American, and who is not?
ellinas - 07:07pm on 07/04/2009
Liberals are not really Americans anymore..
Mudcat is absolutely correct.
Leftists, by their actions, and by their every word, are traitors to America and have set themselves up as enemies to freedom everywhere.
They consistently ally themselves with dictators and tyrants the world over.
Almost every Communist and other tyrant’s victory since WWII has not been because of a Communist battlefield victory, but due to the fact that the US-based Left has consistently banged the defeat and withdrawal drum—from South Africa to Angola, to Rhodesia, to Vietnam to Cambodia, to Nicaragua, to Panama, to Iraq to Afghanistan.
They are truly enemies of truth and freedom.
They are the domestic enemy.
Move_Zig - 08:07pm on 07/04/2009
Liberals are not really Americans anymore..
mudcat on July 4, 2009 at 06:24 pm
Fuck you,fuck your wife, sister, mother, daughter and everything you hold dear you fucking bastard.
Who the fuck you think you are?
And who the fuck appointed you arbiter of who is American, and who is not?
ellinas on July 4, 2009 at 08:47 pm
The garbagemouth lying greek faggot proves mudcat’s point.
robert108 - 08:07pm on 07/04/2009
Lets say she tried to campaign for fellow Republicans in the lower 48 states over the next 2 years. Every plane trip, every meal, every appearance, even her clothing choices are open to the loons in Alaska to file ethics complaints about. What good is she going to do Alaskans in that scenario?
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. Might as well free up yourself to speak your mind and pay off your legal debts.
Would any of us allow our family to be treated this way? It is not politics as usual. She has become an exception. The media treatment of her is unprecedented. Thus, we can expect unprecedented consequences. Frankly, she was forced from office.
Tell me a scenario where she can perform her job if in truth most of her time is spent fending off bogus charges?
Although she is an elected official it is still much like a job. Any one out there, can you do your job if 80% of your day is spent fending off false charges against how you do your job? How effective a teacher, doctor, electrician, truck driver, you name it, could you be?
checkers - 08:07pm on 07/04/2009
What could be more unamerican than a rant about how those immigrants are taking over and any one that doesn’t agree with me is unamerican. I guess a dictionary description of
An American is a citizen of the United States of America isn’t enough. I don’t see anything in the constitution that says YOU MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE TO BE AN AMERICAN> nope just looked through it again. Lets expand the def. and add on ...and obeys and lives by the laws of the United States. Nope nothing there that says you have to be conservative.
Nothing in the Constitution that describes an American as a particular, race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, sex, short, tall, fat, thin educated or not, productive or not liberal or conservative or in between ideology. Plenty of felons of both conservative and liberal persuasion that are Americans. Nothing in the Constitution that says you have to
serve or not serve in the military to be an American.
At one time the white male property owner had more rights then other citizens of the United States but that didn’t mean the have nots weren’t American. My guess is if some of the bloggers lived back then as the privileged class they would be saying how UnAmerican it is to allow women the vote or blacks, mexicans, or Indians to own property.
This is conservatives challenge: They have to prove they aren’t racists, sexists, bigots.
They have been portrayed as such by the liberal media and its been going on so long, it is a stereotype. Unfortunately within all stereotypes there is a grain of truth; One that has been perverted, distorted so it becomes true. Conservatives half to prove that
they weren’t the ones to persecute blacks, and keep women in there place. That they aren’t represented by the Bernie Madoffs of the world.
When you get yahoos on this blog and other conservative blogs ranting and cussing it does nothing to the correct the stereotypical behavior of a conservative.
The general publics def of a conservative is “someone opposed to change and are hypocritical preachers.” Thats what has to be fought against.
As far as Sarah Palin goes she sounded as if there was a quiver in here voice, and she is fed up with the politics as they are. She will not run for President, She will make millions on the talk show circuit and conservative fund raising rallies preaching to the choir. I would not be surprised to see her on Fox with here own show. She has shown her self a quitter as far as a national political office. If she can’t stand the criticisms and false stories without cracking she doesn’t belong in a higher office.
conundrum - 09:07pm on 07/04/2009
conundrum: You misrepresent when you describe the invaders as “immigrants”. They aren’t, and shame on you for telling that lie. Real Americans welcome legal immigrants, who have learned our language and history, and who are ready to live as Americans in the fullest meaning of the word.
If she can’t stand the criticisms…
Ten months of lying smear and false ethics charges, as well as death and rape threats against her children are not “criticism”. She is now in a position to strike back at those who have slandered her, and I hope she smacks them very hard.
robert108 - 09:07pm on 07/04/2009
I don’t see anything in the constitution that says YOU MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE TO BE AN AMERICAN
Well, actually, yes there is:
The Guarantee Clause
U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Now I could use this answer on two levels. The first being a tongue-in-cheek play on words Republican for Conservative.
But clearly Republican back then, when the Constitution was drafted, did not mean the Republican party of RINO Steele of today.
It meant a Republic, a representative form of government, superior to that of democracies, which were subject to mob rule and descent into chaos.
More importantly, it meant NOT what the Democratic Party has become now, basically a camouflaged vehicle for communist incrementalism, as there is very little light between the planks of Socialism and the current democratic party line, particularly when dealing with the Soros - Ayers - Obama - Pelosi - Reidet al Berkeleyite Leftist cadre.
More importantly, it meant that those elected to government held their positions in the form of a trust, not ownership.
They were not authorized to give away the farm, but to hold it in good faith stewardship, and to preserve and protect the Constitution, the Constitutional freedoms and rights of every citizen, the Constitutional sovereignty of each State, and to protect the nation, and to guard and increase the nations’ wealth, not plunder it.
Not turn it over to millions of undeserving foreign nationals. Not to voluntarily retreat against every foreign tyrant and aggressor. Not to seek every American soldier’s death and defeat on foreign battlefields.
You cannot ally yourself with Americas’ enemies, you cannot kick aside and forsake our allies, you cannot spew contempt on everything that America holds dear and still…
call yourself an American.
Move_Zig - 09:07pm on 07/04/2009
You cannot ally yourself with Americas’ enemies, you cannot kick aside and forsake our allies, you cannot spew contempt on everything that America holds dear and still…
Allies come and go as we see fit to use them. A good example is the French, we pretty much don’t care for them but from the beginning they were our ally. Remember we didn’t particularly care for the British in the 1770’s through 1812 at least. WE allied ourselves with one of the biggest murderers in the world Stalin because it was in our best interest.
More importantly, it meant that those elected to government held their positions in the form of a trust, not ownership….. No one owns their elected position. Some hold onto it and consolidate power better then others but it comes down to the voters to kick them out or keep them in. Witness Bush who strengthened the Executive Branch, abused it and people kicked him out. Same thing will happen to Obama. In four years he is out of here if the electorate are willing. He may be out sooner through impeachment if the Conservatives could have their way. Thats the beauty of our system. It can’t be changed enough that it can’t be corrected. It will coming down to selfishness vs. self sacrifice. The selfishness of all entities on the Federal Tit, individuals as well as corporations. vs the short term sacrifice needed to get off of it.
They were not authorized to give away the farm, but to hold it in good faith stewardship, and to preserve and protect the Constitution, the Constitutional freedoms and rights of every citizen, the Constitutional sovereignty of each State, and to protect the nation, and to guard and increase the nations’ wealth, not plunder it….. and thus there is the Supreme court that will rule on Constitutionality of laws passed.
If change is needed to the constitution then we have the amendment process. The biggest threat I see is the over use of the executive order that seems to have the same weight as law. This was abused by Bush and Obama. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. ...... And we still have a republic form of gov’t. A representative gov’t with checks and balances. This still doesn’t make it a conservative gov’t. According to Robert108 the only time we have had a truly conservative gov’t is the Reagan years. All the rest have been Rinos or Liberals. I am pretty sure they were all Americans. If conservatism is the best form of government why hasn’t it lasted? Where does it come up short? By all the polls that Fox puts up this is a conservative country. Why haven’t the voters followed the Conservatives lead? Whats missing?
conundrum - 10:07pm on 07/04/2009
Robert108: I agree with you that illegal immigration is a problem but when you have a statue greeting people : Give me your tired, your hungry, you poor.. ... Well that is pretty much an open invitation. The world of course has changed and someone coming in with a dirty bomb etc must be investigated and stopped. Of course, please correct me if I am wrong, the Hi Jackers 9/11 were in country legally. You are obviously not against immigration in general, just illegals. So what we are talking about is a numbers game. 1000 of you Mexicans are alright but 10,000 aren’t.
there were 150 million Americans in 1960. Today there are 300 million…the 150 million increase is immigrants from socialist or communist countries…You think these welfare sucking miscreates will vote for an american conservative?
invaders as “immigrants”. They aren’t, and shame on you for telling that lie. Real Americans welcome legal immigrants, who have learned our language and history
Above your quote is Mudcats and what he is saying is it is alright you are and immigrant as long as you aren’t a socialist or commie. I don’t believe that it says anywhere that give me your tired , your hungry, your poor unless you are a socialist or communist. Lets hear it for freedom of thought and expression. Sorry Robert108 no lie from me. Is it possible you are against freedom of thought?
I agree.
Fuck you,fuck your wife, sister, mother, daughter and everything you hold dear you fucking bastard.
Who the fuck you think you are?
And who the fuck appointed you arbiter of who is American, and who is not?
Mudcat is absolutely correct.
Leftists, by their actions, and by their every word, are traitors to America and have set themselves up as enemies to freedom everywhere.
They consistently ally themselves with dictators and tyrants the world over.
Almost every Communist and other tyrant’s victory since WWII has not been because of a Communist battlefield victory, but due to the fact that the US-based Left has consistently banged the defeat and withdrawal drum—from South Africa to Angola, to Rhodesia, to Vietnam to Cambodia, to Nicaragua, to Panama, to Iraq to Afghanistan.
They are truly enemies of truth and freedom.
They are the domestic enemy.
The garbagemouth lying greek faggot proves mudcat’s point.
Lets say she tried to campaign for fellow Republicans in the lower 48 states over the next 2 years. Every plane trip, every meal, every appearance, even her clothing choices are open to the loons in Alaska to file ethics complaints about. What good is she going to do Alaskans in that scenario?
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. Might as well free up yourself to speak your mind and pay off your legal debts.
Would any of us allow our family to be treated this way? It is not politics as usual. She has become an exception. The media treatment of her is unprecedented. Thus, we can expect unprecedented consequences. Frankly, she was forced from office.
Tell me a scenario where she can perform her job if in truth most of her time is spent fending off bogus charges?
Although she is an elected official it is still much like a job. Any one out there, can you do your job if 80% of your day is spent fending off false charges against how you do your job? How effective a teacher, doctor, electrician, truck driver, you name it, could you be?
What could be more unamerican than a rant about how those immigrants are taking over and any one that doesn’t agree with me is unamerican. I guess a dictionary description of
An American is a citizen of the United States of America isn’t enough. I don’t see anything in the constitution that says YOU MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE TO BE AN AMERICAN> nope just looked through it again. Lets expand the def. and add on ...and obeys and lives by the laws of the United States. Nope nothing there that says you have to be conservative.
Nothing in the Constitution that describes an American as a particular, race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, sex, short, tall, fat, thin educated or not, productive or not liberal or conservative or in between ideology. Plenty of felons of both conservative and liberal persuasion that are Americans. Nothing in the Constitution that says you have to
serve or not serve in the military to be an American.
At one time the white male property owner had more rights then other citizens of the United States but that didn’t mean the have nots weren’t American. My guess is if some of the bloggers lived back then as the privileged class they would be saying how UnAmerican it is to allow women the vote or blacks, mexicans, or Indians to own property.
This is conservatives challenge: They have to prove they aren’t racists, sexists, bigots.
They have been portrayed as such by the liberal media and its been going on so long, it is a stereotype. Unfortunately within all stereotypes there is a grain of truth; One that has been perverted, distorted so it becomes true. Conservatives half to prove that
they weren’t the ones to persecute blacks, and keep women in there place. That they aren’t represented by the Bernie Madoffs of the world.
When you get yahoos on this blog and other conservative blogs ranting and cussing it does nothing to the correct the stereotypical behavior of a conservative.
The general publics def of a conservative is “someone opposed to change and are hypocritical preachers.” Thats what has to be fought against.
As far as Sarah Palin goes she sounded as if there was a quiver in here voice, and she is fed up with the politics as they are. She will not run for President, She will make millions on the talk show circuit and conservative fund raising rallies preaching to the choir. I would not be surprised to see her on Fox with here own show. She has shown her self a quitter as far as a national political office. If she can’t stand the criticisms and false stories without cracking she doesn’t belong in a higher office.
conundrum: You misrepresent when you describe the invaders as “immigrants”. They aren’t, and shame on you for telling that lie. Real Americans welcome legal immigrants, who have learned our language and history, and who are ready to live as Americans in the fullest meaning of the word.
Ten months of lying smear and false ethics charges, as well as death and rape threats against her children are not “criticism”. She is now in a position to strike back at those who have slandered her, and I hope she smacks them very hard.
Well, actually, yes there is:
Now I could use this answer on two levels. The first being a tongue-in-cheek play on words Republican for Conservative.
But clearly Republican back then, when the Constitution was drafted, did not mean the Republican party of RINO Steele of today.
It meant a Republic, a representative form of government, superior to that of democracies, which were subject to mob rule and descent into chaos.
More importantly, it meant NOT what the Democratic Party has become now, basically a camouflaged vehicle for communist incrementalism, as there is very little light between the planks of Socialism and the current democratic party line, particularly when dealing with the Soros - Ayers - Obama - Pelosi - Reid et al Berkeleyite Leftist cadre.
More importantly, it meant that those elected to government held their positions in the form of a trust, not ownership.
They were not authorized to give away the farm, but to hold it in good faith stewardship, and to preserve and protect the Constitution, the Constitutional freedoms and rights of every citizen, the Constitutional sovereignty of each State, and to protect the nation, and to guard and increase the nations’ wealth, not plunder it.
Not turn it over to millions of undeserving foreign nationals. Not to voluntarily retreat against every foreign tyrant and aggressor. Not to seek every American soldier’s death and defeat on foreign battlefields.
You cannot ally yourself with Americas’ enemies, you cannot kick aside and forsake our allies, you cannot spew contempt on everything that America holds dear and still…
call yourself an American.
You cannot ally yourself with Americas’ enemies, you cannot kick aside and forsake our allies, you cannot spew contempt on everything that America holds dear and still…
Allies come and go as we see fit to use them. A good example is the French, we pretty much don’t care for them but from the beginning they were our ally. Remember we didn’t particularly care for the British in the 1770’s through 1812 at least. WE allied ourselves with one of the biggest murderers in the world Stalin because it was in our best interest.
More importantly, it meant that those elected to government held their positions in the form of a trust, not ownership….. No one owns their elected position. Some hold onto it and consolidate power better then others but it comes down to the voters to kick them out or keep them in. Witness Bush who strengthened the Executive Branch, abused it and people kicked him out. Same thing will happen to Obama. In four years he is out of here if the electorate are willing. He may be out sooner through impeachment if the Conservatives could have their way. Thats the beauty of our system. It can’t be changed enough that it can’t be corrected. It will coming down to selfishness vs. self sacrifice. The selfishness of all entities on the Federal Tit, individuals as well as corporations. vs the short term sacrifice needed to get off of it.
They were not authorized to give away the farm, but to hold it in good faith stewardship, and to preserve and protect the Constitution, the Constitutional freedoms and rights of every citizen, the Constitutional sovereignty of each State, and to protect the nation, and to guard and increase the nations’ wealth, not plunder it….. and thus there is the Supreme court that will rule on Constitutionality of laws passed.
If change is needed to the constitution then we have the amendment process. The biggest threat I see is the over use of the executive order that seems to have the same weight as law. This was abused by Bush and Obama. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion. ...... And we still have a republic form of gov’t. A representative gov’t with checks and balances. This still doesn’t make it a conservative gov’t. According to Robert108 the only time we have had a truly conservative gov’t is the Reagan years. All the rest have been Rinos or Liberals. I am pretty sure they were all Americans. If conservatism is the best form of government why hasn’t it lasted? Where does it come up short? By all the polls that Fox puts up this is a conservative country. Why haven’t the voters followed the Conservatives lead? Whats missing?
Robert108: I agree with you that illegal immigration is a problem but when you have a statue greeting people : Give me your tired, your hungry, you poor.. ... Well that is pretty much an open invitation. The world of course has changed and someone coming in with a dirty bomb etc must be investigated and stopped. Of course, please correct me if I am wrong, the Hi Jackers 9/11 were in country legally. You are obviously not against immigration in general, just illegals. So what we are talking about is a numbers game. 1000 of you Mexicans are alright but 10,000 aren’t.
there were 150 million Americans in 1960. Today there are 300 million…the 150 million increase is immigrants from socialist or communist countries…You think these welfare sucking miscreates will vote for an american conservative?
invaders as “immigrants”. They aren’t, and shame on you for telling that lie. Real Americans welcome legal immigrants, who have learned our language and history
Above your quote is Mudcats and what he is saying is it is alright you are and immigrant as long as you aren’t a socialist or commie. I don’t believe that it says anywhere that give me your tired , your hungry, your poor unless you are a socialist or communist. Lets hear it for freedom of thought and expression. Sorry Robert108 no lie from me. Is it possible you are against freedom of thought?