I used to think that was a given, Kevin . . . but the Repubs have moved farther and farther away from that, and we are all the worse for it.
Ken McCracken - 09:05pm on 05/14/2008
I listen to Mark’s radio show all the time he is fed up with the empty suits that have filled out congress and senate. Mark like many of us are not happy with the Republican parties nomination for president and are waiting to see who he is going to run with for president. IF McCain doesn’t pick a good conservative candidate I am as well as many other conservative are going to stay home and not vote, or we could leave the spot open. I don’t like Ron Barr either so maybe I will write in Rob.
goon - 10:05pm on 05/14/2008
Back when the GOP was swept into power in 1994 Americans thought they knew what they were getting. Low-tax, limited-government, lower-spending, transparent-politics, pro-liberty leaders. What they got was politics as usual, and now Republicans are being punished for it.
To be fair, for quite some time, the GOP DID actually give what they promised. Lower welfare rolls, lower taxes, etc. Bush helped turn the GOP around to what we dislike nowadays.
Which they’ve almost assuredly done now with Barack Obama.
I’m still convinced Hillary will pull it out.
Kenny - 11:05pm on 05/14/2008
When the RNC-GOP has been infiltrated and subornated to the extent that it is the false choice for Conservatives, e.g. they are in fact, RINO’s, then I fully agree that it is time for a free, reborn Conservative Party.
As for me, I am voting for Barr, come hell or high water. I will be damned if I will vote for McCain—not when he shows no signs from deviating from his Amnesty for Illegals and Rah Rah Global Warming Legislation schtick.
ADMIN NOTE: Sorry folks, for being away so long—work in the Real World has been keeping me very busy lately.
Move_Zig - 11:05pm on 05/14/2008
To be fair, for quite some time, the GOP DID actually give what they promised. Lower welfare rolls, lower taxes, etc. Bush helped turn the GOP around to what we dislike nowadays.
Bush has spent money like a druken sailor and now because of his unpopularity we run risk of being a minority party for a very long time.
goon - 12:05am on 05/15/2008
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Barack Obama.
Ken McCracken - 12:05am on 05/15/2008
...And a vote for McCain is a vote telling the GOP leadership to continue compromising on their principles and values because in the end the conservative base is just too afraid of the “other” guy to demand better candidate.
If that is the case, why should they even bother to listen at all?
Fatalerror94 - 03:05am on 05/15/2008
Ken McCracken on May 15, 2008 at 12:34 am
I whole-heartedly agree.
Everyblog I go, I read/receive the same comments:
“… not voting for McCain is a vote for BO. You’d be a traitor to your party[/the country]!”, “BO will destroy the country - by his SCOTUS picks, the laws he’ll ask for, ... [etc]” are a fair sample.
My favorite was when, on supplying links to McCain video, along with links to credible sources like the Congressional Record, I was told: “You are an extremeist[sic] faux-conservative! If you were really a Conservative, you’d quit your sh**y whining because your candidate lost! You’d realize that McCain is really a mainstream Conservative! You social conservatives disgust me! You’d realize that the Republican Party isn’t here to be your puppet, we have to support our leaders decisions! The Islamofacists will come here because the Dems will pull out of the M.E.!” This remained posted for 4 days after my post was deleted w/o comment 12hrs after I posted it.
I won’t mention the blog, excet to say that it is a major “Rightwing” blog. I do notice that a lot of thoughtful anti-McCain pieces disappear, while the looney-tunes ones are kept and ridiculed by the blog owner.
I’m not posting this to point fingers, just to provide background for my comment later on.
Having thought about this, putting my emotions aside, I have decided that one point they raise has merit:
Not voting for McCain may mean the end of the Republic.
While I’ll grant that point, I feel compelled to point out that, if we are on such shakey ground, voting for McCain will end the Republic. The views the 3 candidates operate under lack enough differentiation to produce a discernable difference in outcome.
And I have other obligations. I am a man who after an active 25yr search, found God. I know that I will be called upon to justify my actions after this life.
Because of these 2 items I will not cast a vote for McCain.
- martin.musculus
martin.musculus - 07:05am on 05/15/2008
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I used to think that was a given, Kevin . . . but the Repubs have moved farther and farther away from that, and we are all the worse for it.
I listen to Mark’s radio show all the time he is fed up with the empty suits that have filled out congress and senate. Mark like many of us are not happy with the Republican parties nomination for president and are waiting to see who he is going to run with for president. IF McCain doesn’t pick a good conservative candidate I am as well as many other conservative are going to stay home and not vote, or we could leave the spot open. I don’t like Ron Barr either so maybe I will write in Rob.
To be fair, for quite some time, the GOP DID actually give what they promised. Lower welfare rolls, lower taxes, etc. Bush helped turn the GOP around to what we dislike nowadays.
I’m still convinced Hillary will pull it out.
When the RNC-GOP has been infiltrated and subornated to the extent that it is the false choice for Conservatives, e.g. they are in fact, RINO’s, then I fully agree that it is time for a free, reborn Conservative Party.
As for me, I am voting for Barr, come hell or high water. I will be damned if I will vote for McCain—not when he shows no signs from deviating from his Amnesty for Illegals and Rah Rah Global Warming Legislation schtick.
ADMIN NOTE: Sorry folks, for being away so long—work in the Real World has been keeping me very busy lately.
Bush has spent money like a druken sailor and now because of his unpopularity we run risk of being a minority party for a very long time.
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Barack Obama.
...And a vote for McCain is a vote telling the GOP leadership to continue compromising on their principles and values because in the end the conservative base is just too afraid of the “other” guy to demand better candidate.
If that is the case, why should they even bother to listen at all?
I whole-heartedly agree.
Everyblog I go, I read/receive the same comments:
“… not voting for McCain is a vote for BO. You’d be a traitor to your party[/the country]!”, “BO will destroy the country - by his SCOTUS picks, the laws he’ll ask for, ... [etc]” are a fair sample.
My favorite was when, on supplying links to McCain video, along with links to credible sources like the Congressional Record, I was told: “You are an extremeist[sic] faux-conservative! If you were really a Conservative, you’d quit your sh**y whining because your candidate lost! You’d realize that McCain is really a mainstream Conservative! You social conservatives disgust me! You’d realize that the Republican Party isn’t here to be your puppet, we have to support our leaders decisions! The Islamofacists will come here because the Dems will pull out of the M.E.!” This remained posted for 4 days after my post was deleted w/o comment 12hrs after I posted it.
I won’t mention the blog, excet to say that it is a major “Rightwing” blog. I do notice that a lot of thoughtful anti-McCain pieces disappear, while the looney-tunes ones are kept and ridiculed by the blog owner.
I’m not posting this to point fingers, just to provide background for my comment later on.
Having thought about this, putting my emotions aside, I have decided that one point they raise has merit:
Not voting for McCain may mean the end of the Republic.
While I’ll grant that point, I feel compelled to point out that, if we are on such shakey ground, voting for McCain will end the Republic. The views the 3 candidates operate under lack enough differentiation to produce a discernable difference in outcome.
And I have other obligations. I am a man who after an active 25yr search, found God. I know that I will be called upon to justify my actions after this life.
Because of these 2 items I will not cast a vote for McCain.
- martin.musculus
Dear Host:
I am on a PDA, if you decide, for whatever reason, to delete my post, please let me know so I might ask someone w/a PC to get a copy. It’s your home - your rules, but please, I like to keep copies of my thoughts in order to refine them when I am able.
Thank you.
- martin.musculus