Hate crimes (in NY anyway) require a victim. Which was the victim, the toilet or the book?
Hairy Polemic - 03:07pm on 07/28/2007
The victims, Tim, were all of us.
/sarcasm
Rob - 03:07pm on 07/28/2007
Were these library books or were they his personal copies to do with as he wished? I believe that the only “crime” you could accuse him of is clogging the crapper (obstruction of justice).
hvywgt - 04:07pm on 07/28/2007
Pace University has no records of any previous hate crimes occurring
Could the lack of any hate crime records have anything to do with the fact that no one made a fuss over such juvenile behavior or at the very most they went on the monetary value of the loss?
Where will they draw the line as to what constitutes hate crime? If someone assaults their spouse’s gay lover, or bi or 20 years younger mistress ( you get my point) is that a hate crime? What if I finally lose it when the boys in suits knock at my door and I throw their hand full of religious literature to the ground, can I be charged for a hate crime?
Seems to me most misbehavior or crimes are committed for some reason of hate.
Anna - 05:07pm on 07/28/2007
Hate crime in NY requires the commission of crimes (such as criminal mischief or aggravated harassment, as is the case here) along with the targetting of the victim based on a number of factors (religion here).
It doesn’t seem like a specific person was targetted here (which also happens to a necessary element for aggravated harassment). For criminal mischief, the accused has to intentionally destroy another’s property. So this will pretty much turn on whether or not that Koran belonged to someone else. If it didn’t, then the prosecutor is trying this case for purely political reasons, which is disgusting.
Hairy Polemic - 05:07pm on 07/28/2007
Of all the nit-picky… what a waste of taxpayer time. Even so, the defendant was probably one of those kids who just HAD to touch the burner to see if his hand really would get burnt. I think that dude needs a part-time job.
MentalHygiene - 05:07pm on 07/28/2007
Heavy, you dawg! You beat me to it. If these Qur’ans belonged to Mr Shmulevich(and spellcheck is going crazy over that name) then he can do with them as he pleases. Unless there is a local ordinance against placing printed materials in toilets in those locales. Then he should pay the $35 fine and get a stern talking to about properly desecrating Islamic holy works.
What the hell are they teaching kids these days?!?!?!?
2Hotel9 - 05:07pm on 07/28/2007
2H9,
If he’d just smeared them with porcine feces or blood, or merely soaked / immersed them in porcine urine it would have been art (or what passes for art in some places).
Rodney Graves - 06:07pm on 07/28/2007
As a test, someone should throw a bible into a toilet just to see what those assine Pace officials would do. I suspect they would totally ignore the incident.
Hate crimes (in NY anyway) require a victim. Which was the victim, the toilet or the book?
The victims, Tim, were all of us.
/sarcasm
Were these library books or were they his personal copies to do with as he wished? I believe that the only “crime” you could accuse him of is clogging the crapper (obstruction of justice).
Could the lack of any hate crime records have anything to do with the fact that no one made a fuss over such juvenile behavior or at the very most they went on the monetary value of the loss?
Where will they draw the line as to what constitutes hate crime? If someone assaults their spouse’s gay lover, or bi or 20 years younger mistress ( you get my point) is that a hate crime? What if I finally lose it when the boys in suits knock at my door and I throw their hand full of religious literature to the ground, can I be charged for a hate crime?
Seems to me most misbehavior or crimes are committed for some reason of hate.
Hate crime in NY requires the commission of crimes (such as criminal mischief or aggravated harassment, as is the case here) along with the targetting of the victim based on a number of factors (religion here).
It doesn’t seem like a specific person was targetted here (which also happens to a necessary element for aggravated harassment). For criminal mischief, the accused has to intentionally destroy another’s property. So this will pretty much turn on whether or not that Koran belonged to someone else. If it didn’t, then the prosecutor is trying this case for purely political reasons, which is disgusting.
Of all the nit-picky… what a waste of taxpayer time. Even so, the defendant was probably one of those kids who just HAD to touch the burner to see if his hand really would get burnt. I think that dude needs a part-time job.
Heavy, you dawg! You beat me to it. If these Qur’ans belonged to Mr Shmulevich(and spellcheck is going crazy over that name) then he can do with them as he pleases. Unless there is a local ordinance against placing printed materials in toilets in those locales. Then he should pay the $35 fine and get a stern talking to about properly desecrating Islamic holy works.
What the hell are they teaching kids these days?!?!?!?
2H9,
If he’d just smeared them with porcine feces or blood, or merely soaked / immersed them in porcine urine it would have been art (or what passes for art in some places).
As a test, someone should throw a bible into a toilet just to see what those assine Pace officials would do. I suspect they would totally ignore the incident.
docdave, EXACTLY!