First of all, I never said that “a war in Iraq is what the terrorists wanted.” Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
Secondly, what I said---actually, what The Boston Globe said, and I qouted---was this:
New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank—both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States—have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself.
The studies, which together constitute the most detailed picture available of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President Bush’s claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the ‘’central front” in a battle against the United States.
It’s not like I expect intellectual honesty from you, Rob. But you’ve swallowed so many White House talking points whole that you’re starting to spin and dissemble automatically. Please put at least a modicum of thought into it from now on, okay?
Don Myers - 07:07am on 07/18/2005
Don Myers said, First of all, I never said that “a war in Iraq is what the terrorists wanted.” Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
You’re already wrong. “Steal their resources”? Back up that claim.
It’s not like I expect intellectual honesty from you, Rob. But you’ve swallowed so many White House talking points whole that you’re starting to spin and dissemble automatically. Please put at least a modicum of thought into it from now on, okay?
You have a lot of balls to say that Don. You’re quite an asshole as well. Why can’t you just come here on good terms looking for debate? Good grief.
As to your weak logic, anybody who looks at the Iraq war and uses that as an excuse to start targetting kids and killing policeman was a terrorist just waiting to happen. If it wasn’t the Iraq war, it would have been something else.
likwidshoe - 07:07am on 07/18/2005
On a bit of a sidenote, do you see the irony in something you said there Don?
Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
Then you used an article that says foreign fighters. I’ve seen that report before as a matter of fact and what is interesting is that the reports leaves things open as far as what actually “motivates” the jihadis. How the Boston Globe came to a solid conclusion is beyond me, but I have not read the full Globe article so I will not comment one way or another.
Chad Evans - 07:07am on 07/18/2005
anybody who looks at the Iraq war and uses that as an excuse to start targetting kids and killing policeman was a terrorist just waiting to happen
Um, likwidshoe, that kind of comment demonstrates how little knowledge you have about the origins of terrorist activity and what factors fuel the kind of insurgency going on in Iraq. For example, has it occurred to you that every time a Sunni Muslim man is killed or tortured in Iraq, that his brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles become more supportive of the “resistance” to the U.S. forces sweeping through their homes? One doesn’t just become a terrorist--they aren’t born, unless you want to believe, Like so many Bush supporters who are evangelical Christians, that terrorists are all simply “evil.”
Now, I predict what I just wrote will be completely misunderstood and misinterpreted. Likwidshoe will undoubtedly think I am justifying these horrific suicide attacks and that I somehow suport the insurgency. This is the kind of “weak logic” that seems to always play out on conservative blogs.
Brad - 08:07am on 07/18/2005
Um, likwidshoe, that kind of comment demonstrates how little knowledge you have about the origins of terrorist activity and what factors fuel the kind of insurgency going on in Iraq.
Um, Brad, that kind of comment demonstrates what little knowledge you have about the mindset of terrorists.
For example, has it occurred to you that every time a Sunni Muslim man is killed or tortured in Iraq, that his brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles become more supportive of the “resistance” to the U.S. forces sweeping through their homes?
Yes. And then they start targetting their own countrymen.
One doesn’t just become a terrorist–they aren’t born...
...unless you want to believe, Like so many Bush supporters who are evangelical Christians, that terrorists are all simply “evil.”
I don’t believe. I recognize. Telling that you put evil in quotations.
Now, I predict what I just wrote will be completely misunderstood and misinterpreted.
Oh no. I understand you all too well.
Likwidshoe will undoubtedly think I am justifying these horrific suicide attacks and that I somehow suport the insurgency. This is the kind of “weak logic” that seems to always play out on conservative blogs.
Nice straw man. Was it hard to defeat your own argument? Heh. In any regard, your problem is that you can’t recognize or even call out evil.
By the way - hi Don Myers. You really felt the need to change your name? Heh. I have your IP address you dunce.
likwidshoe - 08:07am on 07/18/2005
Brad and I work in the same building but we’re definately different people, likwad.
Don Myers - 10:07am on 07/18/2005
unless you want to believe, Like so many Bush supporters who are evangelical Christians, that terrorists are all simply “evil.”
Um… if terrorists aren’t evil, what exactly are they… simply wrongheaded? Sheesh…
Sphagnum - 01:07pm on 07/18/2005
Don Myers said, Brad and I work in the same building but we’re definately different people, likwad.
Huh. We have two moonbats from the same building commenting on this site and focusing on me? Wow. I must be popular with you guys. Go out and get some friends or something. You’re starting to freak me out.
likwidshoe - 05:07pm on 07/18/2005
hey lidwiddumbass-- just as I thought. You aren’t interested in examining cause and effect. You believe, like most conservatives these days, that actions don’t have consequences. That there’s no point to studying history.
The last book you read was probably something by Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity. How enlightening.
I’m wasting my time here.
Brad - 05:07pm on 07/18/2005
Brad show his pathetic skills at argument and debate:
just as I thought. You aren’t interested in examining cause and effect. You believe, like most conservatives these days, that actions don’t have consequences. That there’s no point to studying history.
Got it. To be a liberal you
1) throw out a few unsubstantiated claims,
2) when people question your claims (also known as “refuse to drink the party koolaid") you get huffy and call them conservatives....
3) and when you couldn’t answer them, you shamefaced go home with your tail between your legs.
Seems to me that likwidshoes raised some reasonable points, and you refused to address them. So exactly, who is the one incapable of reasoned discourse here?
And putting it bluntly, you wouldn’t know cause and effect if it bit you in your sorry ass.
First of all, I never said that “a war in Iraq is what the terrorists wanted.” Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
Secondly, what I said---actually, what The Boston Globe said, and I qouted---was this:
It’s not like I expect intellectual honesty from you, Rob. But you’ve swallowed so many White House talking points whole that you’re starting to spin and dissemble automatically. Please put at least a modicum of thought into it from now on, okay?
Don Myers said, First of all, I never said that “a war in Iraq is what the terrorists wanted.” Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
You’re already wrong. “Steal their resources”? Back up that claim.
It’s not like I expect intellectual honesty from you, Rob. But you’ve swallowed so many White House talking points whole that you’re starting to spin and dissemble automatically. Please put at least a modicum of thought into it from now on, okay?
You have a lot of balls to say that Don. You’re quite an asshole as well. Why can’t you just come here on good terms looking for debate? Good grief.
As to your weak logic, anybody who looks at the Iraq war and uses that as an excuse to start targetting kids and killing policeman was a terrorist just waiting to happen. If it wasn’t the Iraq war, it would have been something else.
On a bit of a sidenote, do you see the irony in something you said there Don?
Nobody wants a foreign nation to bomb their homes and steal their resources.
Then you used an article that says foreign fighters. I’ve seen that report before as a matter of fact and what is interesting is that the reports leaves things open as far as what actually “motivates” the jihadis. How the Boston Globe came to a solid conclusion is beyond me, but I have not read the full Globe article so I will not comment one way or another.
anybody who looks at the Iraq war and uses that as an excuse to start targetting kids and killing policeman was a terrorist just waiting to happen
Um, likwidshoe, that kind of comment demonstrates how little knowledge you have about the origins of terrorist activity and what factors fuel the kind of insurgency going on in Iraq. For example, has it occurred to you that every time a Sunni Muslim man is killed or tortured in Iraq, that his brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles become more supportive of the “resistance” to the U.S. forces sweeping through their homes? One doesn’t just become a terrorist--they aren’t born, unless you want to believe, Like so many Bush supporters who are evangelical Christians, that terrorists are all simply “evil.”
Now, I predict what I just wrote will be completely misunderstood and misinterpreted. Likwidshoe will undoubtedly think I am justifying these horrific suicide attacks and that I somehow suport the insurgency. This is the kind of “weak logic” that seems to always play out on conservative blogs.
Um, likwidshoe, that kind of comment demonstrates how little knowledge you have about the origins of terrorist activity and what factors fuel the kind of insurgency going on in Iraq.
Um, Brad, that kind of comment demonstrates what little knowledge you have about the mindset of terrorists.
For example, has it occurred to you that every time a Sunni Muslim man is killed or tortured in Iraq, that his brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles become more supportive of the “resistance” to the U.S. forces sweeping through their homes?
Yes. And then they start targetting their own countrymen.
One doesn’t just become a terrorist–they aren’t born...
You’re right. They aren’t just born. They are grown.
...unless you want to believe, Like so many Bush supporters who are evangelical Christians, that terrorists are all simply “evil.”
I don’t believe. I recognize. Telling that you put evil in quotations.
Now, I predict what I just wrote will be completely misunderstood and misinterpreted.
Oh no. I understand you all too well.
Likwidshoe will undoubtedly think I am justifying these horrific suicide attacks and that I somehow suport the insurgency. This is the kind of “weak logic” that seems to always play out on conservative blogs.
Nice straw man. Was it hard to defeat your own argument? Heh. In any regard, your problem is that you can’t recognize or even call out evil.
By the way - hi Don Myers. You really felt the need to change your name? Heh. I have your IP address you dunce.
Brad and I work in the same building but we’re definately different people, likwad.
Um… if terrorists aren’t evil, what exactly are they… simply wrongheaded? Sheesh…
Don Myers said, Brad and I work in the same building but we’re definately different people, likwad.
Huh. We have two moonbats from the same building commenting on this site and focusing on me? Wow. I must be popular with you guys. Go out and get some friends or something. You’re starting to freak me out.
hey lidwiddumbass-- just as I thought. You aren’t interested in examining cause and effect. You believe, like most conservatives these days, that actions don’t have consequences. That there’s no point to studying history.
The last book you read was probably something by Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity. How enlightening.
I’m wasting my time here.
Brad show his pathetic skills at argument and debate:
Got it. To be a liberal you
1) throw out a few unsubstantiated claims,
2) when people question your claims (also known as “refuse to drink the party koolaid") you get huffy and call them conservatives....
3) and when you couldn’t answer them, you shamefaced go home with your tail between your legs.
Seems to me that likwidshoes raised some reasonable points, and you refused to address them. So exactly, who is the one incapable of reasoned discourse here?
And putting it bluntly, you wouldn’t know cause and effect if it bit you in your sorry ass.