Hey, I actually have investment dollars riding on Iraq becoming ‘safe’ and growing economically, but I think everything is pie in the sky stuff until it actually happens. There’s been so much talk.
20k-30k still leaves an awful lot of our GI’s there. I’m thinking it’ll take at least a decade more before we can be confident things are actually going *really* well and that they won’t slip back to anarchy/totalitarianism or god forbid, go the way or Iran. ( eek. )
William Oreilly - 10:08pm on 08/06/2005
Where have I heard that before?
I don’t know. Where have you heard that before? What are you talking about?
likwidshoe - 06:08am on 08/07/2005
"I am authorized to announce that this will bring the within measurable distance to it’s end.”
Where have I heard that before?
Don Myers - 06:08am on 08/07/2005
[...] General Abizaid is circulating plans to withdraw 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. soldiers from Iraq this Spring. That is fantastic news because such a drawback would mean the ING is more operational than before, and not all Iraqis are hostile towards U.S. soldiers. The vast majority are not despite what the press likes to say. [...]
In the Bullpen » Round the Reader - 10:08am on 08/07/2005
Rob wrote:
(W)e should be able to begin wrapping up the mission in Iraq and hand things over to the locals in about a year.
Rob, what do you mean by “hand things over to the locals”?
I think we need to stay in Iraq for many, many more years. Terrorist attacks are not subsiding in that country; I highly doubt a new election will cause them to.
I’m not just criticizing the president, because liberals are advocating the same thing, which I don’t understand. “Hand things over to the locals” just, to me, sounds a lot like “Hope no one reports on the inevitable civil war that will start when we leave”.
I view Iraq with a “clean slate.” I force myself to forget that, in my opinion, the current problems in the country are a direct result of our invasion of it (which I opposed). Viewed from that light, Iraq looks more and more like another Darfur (or Rwanda, or Somalia, etc.).
And since I supported military action to prevent further bloodshed in those situations, how can I oppose it to prevent a Sunni-Shi’ite civil war in Iraq? Just out of spite?
Look, if by next spring terrorist activity has significantly subsided, I’m all in favor of bringing some troops home. That just strikes me as being far too optimistic a view of the future.
Dave - 11:08am on 08/07/2005
Lik:
It’s a literary reference. I never expected you to get it.
Don Myers - 05:08am on 08/08/2005
Lik:
It’s a literary reference. I never expected you to get it.
So instead of explaining it, you decide to be an obstinate jackass. Okay. That’s typical of you.
likwidshoe - 08:08am on 08/08/2005
So instead of doing your own homework or crackin’ open a book once in a while, you expect me to spoonfeed it to you. That’s typical of you.
Don Myers - 08:08am on 08/08/2005
So instead of doing your own homework or crackin’ open a book once in a while, you expect me to spoonfeed it to you. That’s typical of you.
Don’t take your depression out on me Don.
likwidshoe - 10:08am on 08/08/2005
Or maybe they’re declaring victory and going home?
The new government is getting cosy with Iran, the “peaceful” soth is full of Shia theocracies and in Basra Steve Vincent said there were a couple of hundred murders a month before he was pulled into a car and murdered.
It is true we’ve finally got some troops up the river near the Syrian border, but the battalion that’s been pulling most of these operations since May sees most of the insurgents fading away when they show up and there isn’t sufficient troops to trap them.
Allawi and others saying Iraq is entering civil war. While we boast electric production capacity is up a bit (a little more than 10 percent) since the invasion we admit the amount getting produced is actually smaller. Corruption is pretty nasty…
Only a few Iraqi units are deemed capable of carrying out operations on their own. The Sunni claim some of these have a propensity for grabbing people, torturing tem and dumping their bodies on the street…
Hey, I actually have investment dollars riding on Iraq becoming ‘safe’ and growing economically, but I think everything is pie in the sky stuff until it actually happens. There’s been so much talk.
20k-30k still leaves an awful lot of our GI’s there. I’m thinking it’ll take at least a decade more before we can be confident things are actually going *really* well and that they won’t slip back to anarchy/totalitarianism or god forbid, go the way or Iran. ( eek. )
Where have I heard that before?
I don’t know. Where have you heard that before? What are you talking about?
"I am authorized to announce that this will bring the within measurable distance to it’s end.”
Where have I heard that before?
[...] General Abizaid is circulating plans to withdraw 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. soldiers from Iraq this Spring. That is fantastic news because such a drawback would mean the ING is more operational than before, and not all Iraqis are hostile towards U.S. soldiers. The vast majority are not despite what the press likes to say. [...]
Rob wrote:
Rob, what do you mean by “hand things over to the locals”?
I think we need to stay in Iraq for many, many more years. Terrorist attacks are not subsiding in that country; I highly doubt a new election will cause them to.
I’m not just criticizing the president, because liberals are advocating the same thing, which I don’t understand. “Hand things over to the locals” just, to me, sounds a lot like “Hope no one reports on the inevitable civil war that will start when we leave”.
I view Iraq with a “clean slate.” I force myself to forget that, in my opinion, the current problems in the country are a direct result of our invasion of it (which I opposed). Viewed from that light, Iraq looks more and more like another Darfur (or Rwanda, or Somalia, etc.).
And since I supported military action to prevent further bloodshed in those situations, how can I oppose it to prevent a Sunni-Shi’ite civil war in Iraq? Just out of spite?
Look, if by next spring terrorist activity has significantly subsided, I’m all in favor of bringing some troops home. That just strikes me as being far too optimistic a view of the future.
Lik:
It’s a literary reference. I never expected you to get it.
Lik:
It’s a literary reference. I never expected you to get it.
So instead of explaining it, you decide to be an obstinate jackass. Okay. That’s typical of you.
So instead of doing your own homework or crackin’ open a book once in a while, you expect me to spoonfeed it to you. That’s typical of you.
So instead of doing your own homework or crackin’ open a book once in a while, you expect me to spoonfeed it to you. That’s typical of you.
Don’t take your depression out on me Don.
Or maybe they’re declaring victory and going home?
The new government is getting cosy with Iran, the “peaceful” soth is full of Shia theocracies and in Basra Steve Vincent said there were a couple of hundred murders a month before he was pulled into a car and murdered.
It is true we’ve finally got some troops up the river near the Syrian border, but the battalion that’s been pulling most of these operations since May sees most of the insurgents fading away when they show up and there isn’t sufficient troops to trap them.
Allawi and others saying Iraq is entering civil war. While we boast electric production capacity is up a bit (a little more than 10 percent) since the invasion we admit the amount getting produced is actually smaller. Corruption is pretty nasty…
Only a few Iraqi units are deemed capable of carrying out operations on their own. The Sunni claim some of these have a propensity for grabbing people, torturing tem and dumping their bodies on the street…