The kid should where that shirt everyday, along with pasting those stickers on the car of all teachers and administrators.
2Hotel9 - 09:03am on 03/11/2008
2h9,
Really, the policy is stupid, but teaching the kid to be disrespectful and destructive is not doing him any favors. There is a proper way to fight this zero tolerance, gun fearing wussy crap. Being a snot-nosed brat, whining about “rights” is not the way to do it. Of course the school has the right to restrict clothing in any manner it sees fit. Parents have the right to vote out the bozos on the school board who hire administrators who make stupid policies. That’s how the system works. Doing it any other way will just result in another generation of “I’m important because my mommy told me so” do-nothing whiners. The last generation like that are illegally blocking entrances to recruiting stations and bombing them. I don’t want those kind of nuts on my side.
kbiel - 09:03am on 03/11/2008
Kid Gets Detention For Wearing T-Shirt With A Gun On It
By Rob on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 pm
A t-shirt honoring a fallen Iraq veteran, to boot.
Nah!!! This kid and his parents were not honoring anyone with this T-shirt. They IMO thought the T-Shirt was cute. Another brat growing up learning to defy authority. This ties up the hands of the school. Than we blame teachers for not being able to teach. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry wants to hide behind free speach and patriotism.
ellinas - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
Thats right, k, everyone should just get on their knees and surrender to ellinas and all her racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat politicians. Don’t stand up for your rights.
2Hotel9 - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
Another brat growing up learning to defy authority.
I wonder if the same might have been said of Tom Paine, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, and a host of others, by the British and their loyalist supporters at the time of the American Revolution. Men who we now revere as patriots and our nation’s Founding Fathers.
The attitude of the kid, or his parents, isn’t the issue, nor should it be. The point is that the school district’s “zero tolerance” has gone way, way too far, when a picture of a gun and a patriotic sentiment are banned for so gratuitous as reason as the “safety” of the students. This is liberal political correctness run amok. Nothing less. It is not the job of government, union-run schools to teach conformity and subjugation.
Bat One - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
Just because Ellinas happens to agree with me doesn’t mean that I’m wrong though I did have to think about it for a moment.
I’m not talking about surrendering rights, I’m talking about not raising whiney, self-important hooligans who think everything they want to do is suddenly a right. It is not his right to wear a shirt with a gun on it anymore than it is his right to wear a shirt with a jihadi symbol on it. That the policy is stupid does not make it unconstitutional.
And please reread the description of the shirt. What about that shirt tells you that he has an uncle in Iraq or even in the military? What about that shirt says, “I’m proud of our soldiers.” It doesn’t even mention soldiers or the military. That argument is clearly an excuse after the fact to cover for this kid’s belligerence and his parents complicity.
kbiel - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
I wonder if the same might have been said of Tom Paine, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, and a host of others, by the British and their loyalist supporters at the time of the American Revolution.
Of course, they were protesting having to wear horse hair wigs to state functions and to court. That whole right to representation, freedom to assemble and petition for redress of grievances, freedom from confiscatory taxes, freedom from having to quarter soldiers, et cetera, that was all secondary to horse hair wigs.
kbiel - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
Kbiel,
Your attempt at sarcasm isn’t up to your usual standards. Nor does the original story indicate in any way that young Mr. Donald Miller, III is “a whiney [sic] self-important hooligan” or that he is in any way “belligerent” as you have previously described him.
Conceivably, Miller could be as dumb as a box of dirt, or a straight “A” student and a prospective Eagle scout. The same speculation could also apply to the school’s principal or the president of the school board that instituted the ridiculous policy of saving students by sensitively banning even the image of a gun.
And all this in a state famous for the fact that the entire state shuts down each year for the first day of deer season.
Bat One - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
This T-shirt case is absurd. Taken to its logical conclusion, no books showing pictures of guns or stories of guns or guns on the internet would be allowed.
I have been to Lancaster, PA. I know this type T-shirt. It is a political statement. The official tipped his hand when he mentioned Columbine. Gun free zones do not work because criminals do not read nor follow laws. Had a good citizen been at Columbine with a right to carry, then there would have been far fewer deaths. Anna. Yes, a rule is a rule and if schools enforced all their rules then we would have better discipline and be able to teach much more quality education.
However, in my observations, the school officials are scared to confront gun carrying gang members while putting on a big show of suspending someone who sketches a gun on a piece of paper or uses a plastic knife to butter her bread at the lunch table. That is The Truth.
Chief RZ - 11:03am on 03/11/2008
This T-shirt case is absurd
I agree.
Regardless as to how stupid, lame, idiotic the rule may appear to us it is what it is. Period.
The rule was established prior to the incident. The student broke the rule. The student defied authority of the situation. End of story.
The kid should where that shirt everyday, along with pasting those stickers on the car of all teachers and administrators.
2h9,
Really, the policy is stupid, but teaching the kid to be disrespectful and destructive is not doing him any favors. There is a proper way to fight this zero tolerance, gun fearing wussy crap. Being a snot-nosed brat, whining about “rights” is not the way to do it. Of course the school has the right to restrict clothing in any manner it sees fit. Parents have the right to vote out the bozos on the school board who hire administrators who make stupid policies. That’s how the system works. Doing it any other way will just result in another generation of “I’m important because my mommy told me so” do-nothing whiners. The last generation like that are illegally blocking entrances to recruiting stations and bombing them. I don’t want those kind of nuts on my side.
Kid Gets Detention For Wearing T-Shirt With A Gun On It
By Rob on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 pm
A t-shirt honoring a fallen Iraq veteran, to boot.
Nah!!! This kid and his parents were not honoring anyone with this T-shirt. They IMO thought the T-Shirt was cute. Another brat growing up learning to defy authority. This ties up the hands of the school. Than we blame teachers for not being able to teach. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry wants to hide behind free speach and patriotism.
Thats right, k, everyone should just get on their knees and surrender to ellinas and all her racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat politicians. Don’t stand up for your rights.
I wonder if the same might have been said of Tom Paine, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, and a host of others, by the British and their loyalist supporters at the time of the American Revolution. Men who we now revere as patriots and our nation’s Founding Fathers.
The attitude of the kid, or his parents, isn’t the issue, nor should it be. The point is that the school district’s “zero tolerance” has gone way, way too far, when a picture of a gun and a patriotic sentiment are banned for so gratuitous as reason as the “safety” of the students. This is liberal political correctness run amok. Nothing less. It is not the job of government, union-run schools to teach conformity and subjugation.
Just because Ellinas happens to agree with me doesn’t mean that I’m wrong though I did have to think about it for a moment.
I’m not talking about surrendering rights, I’m talking about not raising whiney, self-important hooligans who think everything they want to do is suddenly a right. It is not his right to wear a shirt with a gun on it anymore than it is his right to wear a shirt with a jihadi symbol on it. That the policy is stupid does not make it unconstitutional.
And please reread the description of the shirt. What about that shirt tells you that he has an uncle in Iraq or even in the military? What about that shirt says, “I’m proud of our soldiers.” It doesn’t even mention soldiers or the military. That argument is clearly an excuse after the fact to cover for this kid’s belligerence and his parents complicity.
Of course, they were protesting having to wear horse hair wigs to state functions and to court. That whole right to representation, freedom to assemble and petition for redress of grievances, freedom from confiscatory taxes, freedom from having to quarter soldiers, et cetera, that was all secondary to horse hair wigs.
Kbiel,
Your attempt at sarcasm isn’t up to your usual standards. Nor does the original story indicate in any way that young Mr. Donald Miller, III is “a whiney [sic] self-important hooligan” or that he is in any way “belligerent” as you have previously described him.
Conceivably, Miller could be as dumb as a box of dirt, or a straight “A” student and a prospective Eagle scout. The same speculation could also apply to the school’s principal or the president of the school board that instituted the ridiculous policy of saving students by sensitively banning even the image of a gun.
And all this in a state famous for the fact that the entire state shuts down each year for the first day of deer season.
This T-shirt case is absurd. Taken to its logical conclusion, no books showing pictures of guns or stories of guns or guns on the internet would be allowed.
I have been to Lancaster, PA. I know this type T-shirt. It is a political statement. The official tipped his hand when he mentioned Columbine. Gun free zones do not work because criminals do not read nor follow laws. Had a good citizen been at Columbine with a right to carry, then there would have been far fewer deaths. Anna. Yes, a rule is a rule and if schools enforced all their rules then we would have better discipline and be able to teach much more quality education.
However, in my observations, the school officials are scared to confront gun carrying gang members while putting on a big show of suspending someone who sketches a gun on a piece of paper or uses a plastic knife to butter her bread at the lunch table. That is The Truth.
I agree.
Regardless as to how stupid, lame, idiotic the rule may appear to us it is what it is. Period.
The rule was established prior to the incident. The student broke the rule. The student defied authority of the situation. End of story.