Goon: You don’t understand it right. McCain and the 14 got Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito confirmed to the court over a dem majority.
When did you last hear John McCain call for driver’s licenses for all illegals as Obama has done?
I clearly remember McCain telling CPac that he had erred [something Obama is apparently incapable of] and would put the security of our borders first. Has Obama promised that?
I note that you ignored my other items. Apparently they didn’t fit your agenda?
If you get past your bias, you will find that there are HUGE differences between McCain and Obama.
pparets - 09:05am on 05/10/2008
unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry
How dare anyone smear John Kerry with the truth!
Proof - 09:05am on 05/10/2008
I have heard no one try to accuse McCain of collaboration, which certainly absurd. No less absurd than the attacks on Kerry’s military record the republicans made four years ago. What I find absurd is that anyone could promulgate an unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry and suddenly be offended when the smear comes back against their candidate.
The so called smear campaign that you talk about was with guys that served with Kerry. I actually read the and I have yet to hear Kerry refute these claims, any of them.
goon - 10:05am on 05/10/2008
The Gang of 14 was a term coined to describe the bipartisan group of moderate Senators in the 109th United States Congress who successfully negotiated a compromise in the spring of 2005 to avoid the deployment of the so-called nuclear option (or constitutional option) over an organized use of the filibuster by Senate Democrats. The Democrats had been using the filibuster to prevent the confirmation of conservative appellate court candidates nominated by President George W. Bush. The gang consisted of seven Republicans and seven Democrats led by Sens. Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) and John McCain (R-Arizona). The informal group became active again in July 2005, attempting to advise Bush on the choice of a nominee to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. On November 3, 2005, the group met to discuss the nomination of Samuel Alito to the high court, but came to no conclusions, noting that the hearing process had only just begun in his case. On January 30, 2006, the members of the group unanimously supported a cloture vote in the Alito nomination, providing more than enough votes to prevent a filibuster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_14
Seems like I am understanding it right. Those were RINO and Democrats that formed this group to avoid the Nuclear option. I actually think the Nuclear option would have been the way to go.
goon - 10:05am on 05/10/2008
When did you last hear John McCain call for driver’s licenses for all illegals as Obama has done?
Nope but he wanted to give the lawbreakers shamesty.
goon - 10:05am on 05/10/2008
Seems like I am understanding it right. Those were RINO and Democrats that formed this group to avoid the Nuclear option. I actually think the Nuclear option would have been the way to go.
Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise. That’s not governance, that’s incompetence.
Carrick - 10:05am on 05/10/2008
Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise. That’s not governance, that’s incompetence.
There are some things that one should not compromise on. Judges, guns and immigrations are just a few things.
goon - 10:05am on 05/10/2008
All you compromised on was that you wouldn’t use the nuclear option.
Why can’t one compromise on that?
Carrick - 11:05am on 05/10/2008
McCain is not using his war record as the reason for his candidacy, as did John Kerry.
My objections to McCain have to do with his performance in office, which, IMO, go against his heroism during the Vietnam War. Our only hope in the event of a McCain Presidency, is to elect a conservative Congress to keep him in check. Ditto for either Dem candidate.
robert108 - 11:05am on 05/10/2008
What I find absurd is that anyone could promulgate an unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry and suddenly be offended when the smear comes back against their candidate.
Bruce,
Being a Vietnam vet myself, I did a good bit of digging into John Kerry’s three and a half month tour of duty in Vietnam.
If you’d like to discuss whose medals Kerry threw over the White House fence… and why; the reason that there are still 114 pages of Kerry’s military records, including his original discharge from the Navy, which are unaccounted for and withheld from public review, the odd fact that all of the citations for Kerry’s military awards, including his Silver Star and Purple Hearts, bear dates and signatures from after his (original) discharge, Where Kerry really was the day the PCF-94 boat was attacked and David Alston was wounded in the head, and who was really in command of that boat… an action for which Kerry “unconscionably” took credit; Kerry’s “skimmer scam”, his trip to Cambodia, or his “magic hat” let me know.
When we’re done with those topics, we can examine the November 1971 meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Kansas City, the meeting Kerry denied he attended, until confronted by information in FBI surveillance files showing he had indeed been there. That was the meeting at which a plot to assassinate certain prominent US officials who supported the war effort was discussed. Those officials included Henry Kissinger, John Stennis, Richard Russell and others. Both US federal law and the UCMJ require that such discussions be reported to the proper authorities. Kerry did no such thing.
As is pointed out above, telling the truth is not a “smear”. John O’Neill even challenged Kerry to sue… to take him and the Swift Boat Vets to court and prove that their charges against Kerry were false. Fittingly, Kerry backed down and declined to sue.
Goon: You don’t understand it right. McCain and the 14 got Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito confirmed to the court over a dem majority.
When did you last hear John McCain call for driver’s licenses for all illegals as Obama has done?
I clearly remember McCain telling CPac that he had erred [something Obama is apparently incapable of] and would put the security of our borders first. Has Obama promised that?
I note that you ignored my other items. Apparently they didn’t fit your agenda?
If you get past your bias, you will find that there are HUGE differences between McCain and Obama.
How dare anyone smear John Kerry with the truth!
The so called smear campaign that you talk about was with guys that served with Kerry. I actually read the and I have yet to hear Kerry refute these claims, any of them.
Seems like I am understanding it right. Those were RINO and Democrats that formed this group to avoid the Nuclear option. I actually think the Nuclear option would have been the way to go.
Nope but he wanted to give the lawbreakers shamesty.
Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise. That’s not governance, that’s incompetence.
There are some things that one should not compromise on. Judges, guns and immigrations are just a few things.
All you compromised on was that you wouldn’t use the nuclear option.
Why can’t one compromise on that?
McCain is not using his war record as the reason for his candidacy, as did John Kerry.
My objections to McCain have to do with his performance in office, which, IMO, go against his heroism during the Vietnam War. Our only hope in the event of a McCain Presidency, is to elect a conservative Congress to keep him in check. Ditto for either Dem candidate.
Bruce,
Being a Vietnam vet myself, I did a good bit of digging into John Kerry’s three and a half month tour of duty in Vietnam.
If you’d like to discuss whose medals Kerry threw over the White House fence… and why; the reason that there are still 114 pages of Kerry’s military records, including his original discharge from the Navy, which are unaccounted for and withheld from public review, the odd fact that all of the citations for Kerry’s military awards, including his Silver Star and Purple Hearts, bear dates and signatures from after his (original) discharge, Where Kerry really was the day the PCF-94 boat was attacked and David Alston was wounded in the head, and who was really in command of that boat… an action for which Kerry “unconscionably” took credit; Kerry’s “skimmer scam”, his trip to Cambodia, or his “magic hat” let me know.
When we’re done with those topics, we can examine the November 1971 meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Kansas City, the meeting Kerry denied he attended, until confronted by information in FBI surveillance files showing he had indeed been there. That was the meeting at which a plot to assassinate certain prominent US officials who supported the war effort was discussed. Those officials included Henry Kissinger, John Stennis, Richard Russell and others. Both US federal law and the UCMJ require that such discussions be reported to the proper authorities. Kerry did no such thing.
As is pointed out above, telling the truth is not a “smear”. John O’Neill even challenged Kerry to sue… to take him and the Swift Boat Vets to court and prove that their charges against Kerry were false. Fittingly, Kerry backed down and declined to sue.