That wasn’t a hug. He was measuring Jimmy’s waste for an explosive belt.
Mickey - 07:04pm on 04/15/2008
He was measuring Jimmy’s waste for an explosive belt.
Amazing no one thought of this long ago!
Bat One - 07:04pm on 04/15/2008
ROb
you forgot to add that that particular jew hating man is no longer a terrorist. no, now he is in command of a state, having been DEMOCRATICALLY elected in elections that WE FORCED ON HIS COUNTRY back when we were still bullshitting about bringing democracy to the middle east. i believe terrorists are defined as non-state actors, correct? perhaps former-terrorist-turned-democratic-leader-by-bushANDcondis-hasty-stupidity would be more apt. what do you think?
Sparkie Arbuckle - 07:04pm on 04/15/2008
Sparkie,
Actually, you are wrong about a Palestinian “state”. The US Supreme Court, in declining to hear the appeal of a lower Appeals Court decision, has already ruled that there is no such thing, and that the Palestinian Authority is not a legitimate “state” government. The case was Efrat Ungar v. PLA/PLO.
When you think about it, the implications of that very quiet decision are enormous.
Bat One - 07:04pm on 04/15/2008
Sparkie,
An interesting sidenote to Efrat Ungar is that the losing attorney, the one responsible for the whole argument that a “sovereign” PLA/PLO could not be sued in federal court, was leftwing nutball Ramsey Clark.
Bat One - 07:04pm on 04/15/2008
Sorry Sparkie, I don’t think a democratic election confers any legitimacy on people who repeat the blood libel as if it were true. Didn’t work in 1933, and it doesn’t work today, either.
Learned today that Germany-which I believe prohibits the repeating of the blood libel for obvious historic reasons--is providing foreign aid that get used in part to (sigh) indoctrinate young children into such slurs.
I don’t understand how diplomats sleep at night with idiot decisions like this. Would it be too **** much to ask that they say “you want aid? Get the ******* blood libel out of your textbooks, and stop funding rocket attacks of Israel.”
But apparently sanity is too much to ask of a diplomat.
Bike Bubba - 08:04am on 04/16/2008
bat and bike.
admittedly, i did not know about that case. i will have to look it up. i have been doing a lot of reading of late on the hamas/fatah skizm and have uncovered some interesting things about those elections, the fatah ‘insurgency’ that led to hamas taking all of gaza, mr. dahlan, arms shipments from us to fatah with the aid of egypt, jordan, and other ME states within days of the election that we forced on them despite fatah’s insistence that they weren’t ready enough to fix it in their favor yet.
Hamas thinks the Bush admin wants them in power because they suck so bad at achieving their objectives. Also, you guys clearly have dropped that little bit of idealist vitrol about brining democracy, eh? so what;s the policy now? fuck everything, we will kill you?
israel is going to get pushed into the sea once all the arab infighting is over. it strikes me that we are busy trying to make it worse for them by pissing everyone off and (apparently) putting groups like hamas into power.
the supreme court decision is so much farcical bullshit. we pushed for that election. no one else. the US. we chose Hamas. we also pushed for the Fatah uprising - which, like the elecion, was a premature failure. now we blame it all on terrorists. yea right. we are the terrorists. Dahlan, ‘Bush’s man’ over there is yassar arafat’s former security guy. his solution: kidnapping hamas sympathizers, drilling out their kneecaps, and making them chant ‘Dahlan is king’. Now I wonder why Hamas has animosity towards us?
Also, what about all the other ‘states’ in the middle east that want israel dead? saudi arabia, for one. our ‘boys’.
thanks for the tip on that case, bat, i will have to look into it.
Abu Dan, 28, is a member of Hamas, the Iranian-backed Islamist organization that has been designated a terrorist group by the United States, but I have a good reason for taking him at his word: I’ve seen the video.
It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back, and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron rod…
...“They took us to a house in north Gaza,” abu Dan says. “They covered our eyes and took us to a room on the sixth floor.”
The video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan’s father is forced to sit and listen to his son’s shrieks of pain. Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. “They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground.” He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: “They shot our knees and feet—five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair.”…
A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June. Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: “By blood, by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long live Muhammad Dahlan!”…
Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as “a good, solid leader.” In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as “our guy.”
Where are Jimmy’s handlers?
That wasn’t a hug. He was measuring Jimmy’s waste for an explosive belt.
Amazing no one thought of this long ago!
ROb
you forgot to add that that particular jew hating man is no longer a terrorist. no, now he is in command of a state, having been DEMOCRATICALLY elected in elections that WE FORCED ON HIS COUNTRY back when we were still bullshitting about bringing democracy to the middle east. i believe terrorists are defined as non-state actors, correct? perhaps former-terrorist-turned-democratic-leader-by-bushANDcondis-hasty-stupidity would be more apt. what do you think?
Sparkie,
Actually, you are wrong about a Palestinian “state”. The US Supreme Court, in declining to hear the appeal of a lower Appeals Court decision, has already ruled that there is no such thing, and that the Palestinian Authority is not a legitimate “state” government. The case was Efrat Ungar v. PLA/PLO.
When you think about it, the implications of that very quiet decision are enormous.
Sparkie,
An interesting sidenote to Efrat Ungar is that the losing attorney, the one responsible for the whole argument that a “sovereign” PLA/PLO could not be sued in federal court, was leftwing nutball Ramsey Clark.
Sorry Sparkie, I don’t think a democratic election confers any legitimacy on people who repeat the blood libel as if it were true. Didn’t work in 1933, and it doesn’t work today, either.
Learned today that Germany-which I believe prohibits the repeating of the blood libel for obvious historic reasons--is providing foreign aid that get used in part to (sigh) indoctrinate young children into such slurs.
I don’t understand how diplomats sleep at night with idiot decisions like this. Would it be too **** much to ask that they say “you want aid? Get the ******* blood libel out of your textbooks, and stop funding rocket attacks of Israel.”
But apparently sanity is too much to ask of a diplomat.
bat and bike.
admittedly, i did not know about that case. i will have to look it up. i have been doing a lot of reading of late on the hamas/fatah skizm and have uncovered some interesting things about those elections, the fatah ‘insurgency’ that led to hamas taking all of gaza, mr. dahlan, arms shipments from us to fatah with the aid of egypt, jordan, and other ME states within days of the election that we forced on them despite fatah’s insistence that they weren’t ready enough to fix it in their favor yet.
Hamas thinks the Bush admin wants them in power because they suck so bad at achieving their objectives. Also, you guys clearly have dropped that little bit of idealist vitrol about brining democracy, eh? so what;s the policy now? fuck everything, we will kill you?
israel is going to get pushed into the sea once all the arab infighting is over. it strikes me that we are busy trying to make it worse for them by pissing everyone off and (apparently) putting groups like hamas into power.
the supreme court decision is so much farcical bullshit. we pushed for that election. no one else. the US. we chose Hamas. we also pushed for the Fatah uprising - which, like the elecion, was a premature failure. now we blame it all on terrorists. yea right. we are the terrorists. Dahlan, ‘Bush’s man’ over there is yassar arafat’s former security guy. his solution: kidnapping hamas sympathizers, drilling out their kneecaps, and making them chant ‘Dahlan is king’. Now I wonder why Hamas has animosity towards us?
Also, what about all the other ‘states’ in the middle east that want israel dead? saudi arabia, for one. our ‘boys’.
thanks for the tip on that case, bat, i will have to look into it.
here is an article worth reading:
bat, do you mean first circuit and not supreme court?