I wasn’t speaking of racial segregation by the way.
Samantha - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
By what measure do we determine that all of the disruptive children just don’t want to learn and that there are just a few who do?
Samantha - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
BatOne: Worse! MUCH worse!! How about drawing a cross in an art class! Wearing a U.S. Flag tee-shirt! Hugging for more than 3 seconds! Carrying a Bible in a book-bag!! Wearing a crucifix! Praying! [unless you’re a Muslim, of course] All are suspendable offenses in various school districts.
Its just absolute madness!!
pparets - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
Could it be that many poor inner city neighborhoods are factories for a culture of ignorance, family degradation and dysfunction from children to the elected school board officials?
Could be. And could it be that the same parents that care enough about their kids to discipline them, help with their schoolwork, and raise them in a morally upright fashion, would also be the ones that would take advantage of a voucher system?
Although there may be plenty of fault to be found in individual teachers and collectively with their unions, the buck still has to stop with the parents. If parents are too lazy, stupid, self-centered, or immature themselves to care about their child’s education and demand better, how many of their children, honestly, would take it upon themselves to buckle down, study hard, and succeed? Damn few I would guess.
Good Ol Boy - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
the buck still has to stop with the parents. If parents are too lazy, stupid, self-centered, or immature themselves to care about their child’s education and demand better, how many of their children, honestly, would take it upon themselves to buckle down, study hard, and succeed? Damn few I would guess.
Fundamentally the teachers are supposed to be teaching. Are they given a hard job by the restrictions on them? Yes.
On the other hand parents are in a hard place having to deprogram the wrong things taught in the school (not by the teacher I hope) and are stuck teaching the very basics to the kids.
If I’m spending hours working on reading, writing and arithmetic than what are the kids doing in the 7 hours they are at school?
The Whistler - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
It is worth noting that pleas by the so-called “teachers’” unions aside, it is those districts with the highest per pupil expenditures that, by and large, are the most failure prone.
We no longer have teachers. We have “educators” and we, and our children, are far, far the worse for it. And like all labor union-based enterprises, they soak up ever more resources while assuming every less responsibility for the diminished value of the product they turn out. Zero Tolerance simply means no responsibility. Let the cops handle it!
Bat One - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
Samantha:
By what measure do we determine that all disruptive children just don’t want to learn…
By the same measure that those children will face in the real world… by their OBSERVED behavior and performance.
What to do with them? Jobs Corps would be a good start. Or alternative schools so that NORMAL kids and teachers are not disrupted every three minutes by defiance, attention-seeking, acting out, etc.
The reason WHY inner city schools are failing is simple: So much money, time, talent and resources are being diverted to the disruptive few, that the many are left behind. If you are an educator, you know that.
pparets - 05:04pm on 04/06/2008
By the same measure that those children will face in the real world… by their OBSERVED behavior and performance.
Fair enough but do you and the real world know what you’re looking at?
Samantha - 06:04pm on 04/06/2008
Samantha: Oh, puhleeze!
pparets - 06:04pm on 04/06/2008
IDEA, 2004 act. On the surface, it sounds like yet another federal intrusion into our local public schools. If you were speaking to me earlier, my answer would be that those who demonstrate a willingness to learn will be educated. Those who show up only to intimidate other students, sell drugs, prostitute themselves or have sexual intercourse on school grounds should be offered a different or “reasonable accommodation setting” Glad you have not brought the unnecessary diversion of race, but didn’t you mention defacto earlier?
I wasn’t speaking of racial segregation by the way.
By what measure do we determine that all of the disruptive children just don’t want to learn and that there are just a few who do?
BatOne: Worse! MUCH worse!! How about drawing a cross in an art class! Wearing a U.S. Flag tee-shirt! Hugging for more than 3 seconds! Carrying a Bible in a book-bag!! Wearing a crucifix! Praying! [unless you’re a Muslim, of course] All are suspendable offenses in various school districts.
Its just absolute madness!!
Could be. And could it be that the same parents that care enough about their kids to discipline them, help with their schoolwork, and raise them in a morally upright fashion, would also be the ones that would take advantage of a voucher system?
Although there may be plenty of fault to be found in individual teachers and collectively with their unions, the buck still has to stop with the parents. If parents are too lazy, stupid, self-centered, or immature themselves to care about their child’s education and demand better, how many of their children, honestly, would take it upon themselves to buckle down, study hard, and succeed? Damn few I would guess.
Fundamentally the teachers are supposed to be teaching. Are they given a hard job by the restrictions on them? Yes.
On the other hand parents are in a hard place having to deprogram the wrong things taught in the school (not by the teacher I hope) and are stuck teaching the very basics to the kids.
If I’m spending hours working on reading, writing and arithmetic than what are the kids doing in the 7 hours they are at school?
It is worth noting that pleas by the so-called “teachers’” unions aside, it is those districts with the highest per pupil expenditures that, by and large, are the most failure prone.
We no longer have teachers. We have “educators” and we, and our children, are far, far the worse for it. And like all labor union-based enterprises, they soak up ever more resources while assuming every less responsibility for the diminished value of the product they turn out. Zero Tolerance simply means no responsibility. Let the cops handle it!
Samantha:
By the same measure that those children will face in the real world… by their OBSERVED behavior and performance.
What to do with them? Jobs Corps would be a good start. Or alternative schools so that NORMAL kids and teachers are not disrupted every three minutes by defiance, attention-seeking, acting out, etc.
The reason WHY inner city schools are failing is simple: So much money, time, talent and resources are being diverted to the disruptive few, that the many are left behind. If you are an educator, you know that.
Fair enough but do you and the real world know what you’re looking at?
Samantha: Oh, puhleeze!
IDEA, 2004 act. On the surface, it sounds like yet another federal intrusion into our local public schools. If you were speaking to me earlier, my answer would be that those who demonstrate a willingness to learn will be educated. Those who show up only to intimidate other students, sell drugs, prostitute themselves or have sexual intercourse on school grounds should be offered a different or “reasonable accommodation setting” Glad you have not brought the unnecessary diversion of race, but didn’t you mention defacto earlier?