Vouchers are great. Vermont, I believe, was one of the first to allow them. They even started a firestorm by allowing state credit to go to private schools… i.e. catholic high schools.
That said, the showing of that film is bullshit.
Sparkie Arbuckle - 08:05am on 05/21/2007
Hopefully this will encourage more parents to refuse to send their children to the government schools, vouchers or no. The ugly fact is that great portions of Gore’s movie are pure fiction, and if teachers of whatever persuasion cannot figure this out, then those big buildings can hardly be considered places of education.
Robert Perry - 02:05pm on 05/21/2007
OK, I’ll have to bite...Robert, can you define or describe which of the “great portions” you’re talking about?
DeuceSoliloquy - 06:05pm on 05/26/2007
great portions of Gore’s movie are pure fiction
The stuff between the opening and closing credits!
Proof - 06:05pm on 05/26/2007
The stuff between the opening and closing credits!
Proof on May 26, 2007 at 06:37 pm
How’s that, Proof! Do you have proof?
andy l - 07:05pm on 05/26/2007
The stuff between the opening and closing credits!
Proof on May 26, 2007 at 06:37 pm
Or, is your mere existance proof enough?
andy l - 07:05pm on 05/26/2007
andy: Try looking in the dictionary under “humorless”. You should find your picture there!
Proof - 07:05pm on 05/26/2007
OK, Proof, Not looking for an argument here, just a logical debate...So I will ask you to define again...Exactly which portions of the movie were actually false? Here is a portion of a comment I posted on the flickertail journal, I think it pretty much defines my stance on the whole global warming debate:
As far as the “debate” on global warming, anybody remember the “debate” on whether or not cigarette smoking is harmful? Remember the “studies” that raised “important” questions of a “direct correlation” as to whether or not cigarettes impact the health of the smoker? Anyone remember when it came to light that they were funded through the Phillip Morris Corp? Anybody still want to debate whether or not cigarette smoking is harmful to the smoker?
Could it be possible that some of the dissenting opinions on global warming are funded through a company like….Exxon? (I honestly don’t know, just a question) Do we as citizens really want to be so quick to discard an opinion offered by 1000 of the world’s leading scientists whose funding sources we are aware of, while reading some other dissenting opinions whose source of funding are murky at best? Ken Lay making recommendations for hiring at the energy commission? Lobbyists sitting in on the “clear skies initiative”? Are we, as citizens of this country, aware of and comfortable with some of these decisions? Have we, as citizens of this country, gone ahead and read this material as the source of our opinions, or did we just just get it filtered down to us through some other voice, without discerning for certain the facts of the matter? I guess at the end of the day on the whole global warming debate, I think “well, if it turns out that global warming was false, we were put through some undue economic hardships”….but, damn, what if the other guys were right?
I think we have every right to debate this issue, but I would like to have something a little more substantial thrown at me other than it’s totally pure fiction. (I paraphrase)..
DeuceSoliloquy - 05:05am on 05/27/2007
I think we have every right to debate this issue, but I would like to have something a little more substantial thrown at me other than it’s totally pure fiction.
That funny you should say that since the global warming fanatics including Al Gore have taken this item off of the floor for debate. I think even Gore said that the “Debate was over” before it started.
We’ve covered Global warming a lot here, I don’t really feel the need to go back to square one.
By the way, don’t attack who funded the study, attack the validity of the study. It’s very clear to me that the global warming guys want to silence the other side.
And really the power companies aren’t going to suffer from this junk science. They’ll still make money, it’s the consumer that will suffer because they will be paying more for less.
Already the junk science is making it difficult for poor people to eat because ethanol production has doubled the price of corn.
Anyway do some site searches on Global Warming or wait around until we discuss specific topics.
The Whistler - 06:05am on 05/27/2007
Exactly which portions of the movie were actually false?
The pseudo-science-psychobabble that is Al Gore’s movie has been dissected on this blog numerous times in numerous places.
Instead of telling you what’s wrong with the movie, let me give you a very short list of people who also believe the movie is filled with falsehoods… Al Gore.
Al has not stopped his own profligate use of energy, even as he calls for everyone else to alter their lifestyle. Could any rational human being believe that our energy usage threatens the planet, but as long as I purchase (or am given) “carbon credits” then I can use as much energy as I want?
Or, he wants to reduce energy usage, so he will fly musicians, their equipment, their roadies and their fans to all seven continents on the planet to hold concerts? What’s he going to do? Issue them all carbon credits? Ally, ally oxen free?
Is there a real crisis or just a marketing opportunity for companies that sell carbon credits...oh! Like Al Gore’s company! What a co-inky-dink!
By the way, Wait for my movie, ”An Inconvienient Weight”. I will, for a small fee, issue you a “gravity credit"(which alters gravity to the exact same degree as carbon credits alter energy usage). If people don’t weigh as much, the planet won’t use as much energy to turn, your car will get better gas mileage and it may actually freshen your breath! (Please hold my movie to the same standards as Al Gore’s!)
Thank you!
Vouchers are great. Vermont, I believe, was one of the first to allow them. They even started a firestorm by allowing state credit to go to private schools… i.e. catholic high schools.
That said, the showing of that film is bullshit.
Hopefully this will encourage more parents to refuse to send their children to the government schools, vouchers or no. The ugly fact is that great portions of Gore’s movie are pure fiction, and if teachers of whatever persuasion cannot figure this out, then those big buildings can hardly be considered places of education.
OK, I’ll have to bite...Robert, can you define or describe which of the “great portions” you’re talking about?
How’s that, Proof! Do you have proof?
Or, is your mere existance proof enough?
andy: Try looking in the dictionary under “humorless”. You should find your picture there!
OK, Proof, Not looking for an argument here, just a logical debate...So I will ask you to define again...Exactly which portions of the movie were actually false? Here is a portion of a comment I posted on the flickertail journal, I think it pretty much defines my stance on the whole global warming debate:
As far as the “debate” on global warming, anybody remember the “debate” on whether or not cigarette smoking is harmful? Remember the “studies” that raised “important” questions of a “direct correlation” as to whether or not cigarettes impact the health of the smoker? Anyone remember when it came to light that they were funded through the Phillip Morris Corp? Anybody still want to debate whether or not cigarette smoking is harmful to the smoker?
Could it be possible that some of the dissenting opinions on global warming are funded through a company like….Exxon? (I honestly don’t know, just a question) Do we as citizens really want to be so quick to discard an opinion offered by 1000 of the world’s leading scientists whose funding sources we are aware of, while reading some other dissenting opinions whose source of funding are murky at best? Ken Lay making recommendations for hiring at the energy commission? Lobbyists sitting in on the “clear skies initiative”? Are we, as citizens of this country, aware of and comfortable with some of these decisions? Have we, as citizens of this country, gone ahead and read this material as the source of our opinions, or did we just just get it filtered down to us through some other voice, without discerning for certain the facts of the matter? I guess at the end of the day on the whole global warming debate, I think “well, if it turns out that global warming was false, we were put through some undue economic hardships”….but, damn, what if the other guys were right?
I think we have every right to debate this issue, but I would like to have something a little more substantial thrown at me other than it’s totally pure fiction. (I paraphrase)..
That funny you should say that since the global warming fanatics including Al Gore have taken this item off of the floor for debate. I think even Gore said that the “Debate was over” before it started.
We’ve covered Global warming a lot here, I don’t really feel the need to go back to square one.
By the way, don’t attack who funded the study, attack the validity of the study. It’s very clear to me that the global warming guys want to silence the other side.
And really the power companies aren’t going to suffer from this junk science. They’ll still make money, it’s the consumer that will suffer because they will be paying more for less.
Already the junk science is making it difficult for poor people to eat because ethanol production has doubled the price of corn.
Anyway do some site searches on Global Warming or wait around until we discuss specific topics.
Instead of telling you what’s wrong with the movie, let me give you a very short list of people who also believe the movie is filled with falsehoods… Al Gore.
Al has not stopped his own profligate use of energy, even as he calls for everyone else to alter their lifestyle. Could any rational human being believe that our energy usage threatens the planet, but as long as I purchase (or am given) “carbon credits” then I can use as much energy as I want?
Or, he wants to reduce energy usage, so he will fly musicians, their equipment, their roadies and their fans to all seven continents on the planet to hold concerts? What’s he going to do? Issue them all carbon credits? Ally, ally oxen free?
Is there a real crisis or just a marketing opportunity for companies that sell carbon credits...oh! Like Al Gore’s company! What a co-inky-dink!
By the way, Wait for my movie, ”An Inconvienient Weight”. I will, for a small fee, issue you a “gravity credit"(which alters gravity to the exact same degree as carbon credits alter energy usage). If people don’t weigh as much, the planet won’t use as much energy to turn, your car will get better gas mileage and it may actually freshen your breath! (Please hold my movie to the same standards as Al Gore’s!)
Thank you!