I don’t think she’s crazy at all. I’d use immoral, elitist, fascist, angry and power mad but I believe her to be purely rational even to the point of frighteningly rational.
Orson Scott Card (yes, that one) changed my mind on her. His discussion:
She is looking to ideally, torpedo Obama’s campaign and go for the 2012 nomination. Evil maybe but in no way crazy.
FlyOnTheWall - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
Pilgrim,
This is what happens when you try to inject rational calculation into the cacaphony that is Democrat party politics.
Eli Pariser is now correct in his assessment of who owns the Democrats, and the marked shift to the radical Left so despised by Zell Miller has evicted first Joe Lieberman and now Hillary and with her, effectively, the DLC.
Still, we got the better of the deal. The Dems are nominating their weakest possible candidate, one with highly suspect associations and principles, and absolutely no experience or accomplishment to point to. And we have yet to hear the full Tony Rezko/Chicago Machine story!
So, you misjudged a Democrat, giving her credit for a perspective on reality that she clearly doesn’t have? So what’s new?! I’ll take your optimism and realistic judgment over their convoluted radicalism any day!
Bat One - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
The Clinton’s want Barry O stopped, so she can run again in 4 years.
They are ruthless in their quest for power and wealth.
Kevin - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
Is Hillary becoming the Democrat’s crazy ex-girlfriend?
I thought she was the crazy aunt locked in the cellar. Or is that Jeremiah Wright??
Proof - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
I wonder how long it will take Hill to dump Bill now that the “Clinton Restoration” is but a faded memory?
Bat One - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
FlyOnTheWall, Orscon Scott Card has not disappointed me!
I’ve read many of his sci-fi novels. Yes, we all have our vices… ; D
Otherwise, he has a good point.
Why are we republicans complaining about her still running! Good! She’s scratching at Obama’s campaign.
However, I disagree wish O. Card in that if Obama doesn’t get the election, lefties will point their finger at Hillary.
dirl126 - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
...lefties will point their finger at Hillary.
Democrats can’t remember anything from four years ago* - which is plenty of time for suspicious “accidents” to occur to all probable future Clinton rivals.
*except, of course, both of Bush’s eeevil victories (and it tears at their souls).
electnixon - 12:05pm on 05/09/2008
You need to do the math, hun. Then you need to remember who you are dealing with.
Look at the primaries that are still left and look at the polls for those primaries. See who will win most of them and then add up the delegates.
After you do that talk to someone who actually has some experience in how political conventions operate and who understands the rules of them, especially Democratic party ones. It also helps to remember that just because a superdelegate has said they are voting for one candidate over the other does not mean they will. It is that don’t count your chickens before they hatch thang.
The convention is three months away. Alot can happen in that time, including alot of Barak Obama’s dirty laundry getting a nice airing out. And ol’ Barak has some exceptionally dirty laundry-stuff that makes “Rev.” Wright mild and tame.
Now can you say “credential fight”? I knew you could. A credential fight in which Barak Obama stands to lose more delegates then Hillary Clinton.
Can you say “Michigan” and “Florida”? I knew you could. If the Democrats do not seat those delegates the can kiss both Michigan and Florida goodbye, and they can not afford to toss away 44 electoral votes. Michigan and Florida will be seated.
The sheer fact that all the pundits and poobahs in the MSM along with the most arden Obama supporters within the party are howling for Hillary to STFD and STFU is proof positive that they know damn well that by the time the convention rolls around the Clinton’s will make damn sure Obama is such damaged goods that even George Soros will throw him under the bus. It really won’t be that hard to do-Barak Obama’s worst enemy is himself, his second is his wife.
Nahanni - 12:05pm on 05/09/2008
Pilgrim, on reading your last sentence, I was actually thinking that the boilermaker she had might have been part of her problem. :^)
Speaking of which, you’re not going to run for President in a few years after you retire, are you?
Bike Bubba - 01:05pm on 05/09/2008
It really won’t be that hard to do-Barak Obama’s worst enemy is himself, his second is his wife.
I agree. One should never count a Clinton out. Anyway, it ain’t over until the fat lady sings. [You notice if Hill is putting on any weight?\
I don’t think she’s crazy at all. I’d use immoral, elitist, fascist, angry and power mad but I believe her to be purely rational even to the point of frighteningly rational.
Orson Scott Card (yes, that one) changed my mind on her. His discussion:
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2008-04-27-1.html
She is looking to ideally, torpedo Obama’s campaign and go for the 2012 nomination. Evil maybe but in no way crazy.
Pilgrim,
This is what happens when you try to inject rational calculation into the cacaphony that is Democrat party politics.
Eli Pariser is now correct in his assessment of who owns the Democrats, and the marked shift to the radical Left so despised by Zell Miller has evicted first Joe Lieberman and now Hillary and with her, effectively, the DLC.
Still, we got the better of the deal. The Dems are nominating their weakest possible candidate, one with highly suspect associations and principles, and absolutely no experience or accomplishment to point to. And we have yet to hear the full Tony Rezko/Chicago Machine story!
So, you misjudged a Democrat, giving her credit for a perspective on reality that she clearly doesn’t have? So what’s new?! I’ll take your optimism and realistic judgment over their convoluted radicalism any day!
The Clinton’s want Barry O stopped, so she can run again in 4 years.
They are ruthless in their quest for power and wealth.
I thought she was the crazy aunt locked in the cellar. Or is that Jeremiah Wright??
I wonder how long it will take Hill to dump Bill now that the “Clinton Restoration” is but a faded memory?
FlyOnTheWall, Orscon Scott Card has not disappointed me!
I’ve read many of his sci-fi novels. Yes, we all have our vices… ; D
Otherwise, he has a good point.
Why are we republicans complaining about her still running! Good! She’s scratching at Obama’s campaign.
However, I disagree wish O. Card in that if Obama doesn’t get the election, lefties will point their finger at Hillary.
Democrats can’t remember anything from four years ago* - which is plenty of time for suspicious “accidents” to occur to all probable future Clinton rivals.
*except, of course, both of Bush’s eeevil victories (and it tears at their souls).
You need to do the math, hun. Then you need to remember who you are dealing with.
Look at the primaries that are still left and look at the polls for those primaries. See who will win most of them and then add up the delegates.
After you do that talk to someone who actually has some experience in how political conventions operate and who understands the rules of them, especially Democratic party ones. It also helps to remember that just because a superdelegate has said they are voting for one candidate over the other does not mean they will. It is that don’t count your chickens before they hatch thang.
The convention is three months away. Alot can happen in that time, including alot of Barak Obama’s dirty laundry getting a nice airing out. And ol’ Barak has some exceptionally dirty laundry-stuff that makes “Rev.” Wright mild and tame.
Now can you say “credential fight”? I knew you could. A credential fight in which Barak Obama stands to lose more delegates then Hillary Clinton.
Can you say “Michigan” and “Florida”? I knew you could. If the Democrats do not seat those delegates the can kiss both Michigan and Florida goodbye, and they can not afford to toss away 44 electoral votes. Michigan and Florida will be seated.
The sheer fact that all the pundits and poobahs in the MSM along with the most arden Obama supporters within the party are howling for Hillary to STFD and STFU is proof positive that they know damn well that by the time the convention rolls around the Clinton’s will make damn sure Obama is such damaged goods that even George Soros will throw him under the bus. It really won’t be that hard to do-Barak Obama’s worst enemy is himself, his second is his wife.
Pilgrim, on reading your last sentence, I was actually thinking that the boilermaker she had might have been part of her problem. :^)
Speaking of which, you’re not going to run for President in a few years after you retire, are you?
I agree. One should never count a Clinton out. Anyway, it ain’t over until the fat lady sings. [You notice if Hill is putting on any weight?\