i thought government health care meant people could actually go to the doctor without being driven into the poor house
right now, my wife and i pay though the nose for health insurance for our family, even with a big employer contribution, and the coverage isn’t really that great.
i personally don’t see house gov’t healthcare could be any worse
the private market has failed. period. game over.
time to clean up and take care of american citizens.
grog - 11:07am on 07/29/2008
oh and btw, what control do you have?
you still have to get approval to see specialist,
you can only see doctors in your plan,
god help you if you have to change jobs with a pre-existing condition,
you still pay half your monthly salary in prescriptions if you get sick,
your insurance can dump you at any time for any reason;
and you totally screwed if your job gets downsized
sounds awesome to me!
but seriously, why do people defend a pile of manure such as that? is that the best you can do?
pretty weak.
grog - 11:07am on 07/29/2008
Correct. “We are from the Government, and we are here to help.” Run.
Chief RZ - 12:07pm on 07/29/2008
” The Oregonian has an editorial up highlighting the fact that the state-run Oregon Health Plan won’t cover a terminal patient’s chemotherapy but will pay for them to die. “......You haven’t seen anything yet. If the “government” controls heathcare, then the “government” gets to decide what is “healthy” for you, ala transfat prohibitions or fast food restaurant building restrictions. If the “government” controls healthcare they will decide what is safe for you to do, nothing risking long term injury. If the “government” controls healthcare the “government” will decide when your care is to expensive to continue.
“you still have to get approval to see specialist,
you can only see doctors in your plan, “...pick another plan, or buy your own. A big part of the problem is that people think that their employer should provide or assist in the acqusition of their heath insurance. It’s not the responsibility of your employer to provide health insurance.
“you totally screwed if your job gets downsized “...how ? Because you now have to buy something that you had no idea what the true cost of was ? Again, insurance is not, and ought not be, the responsibility of your employer. That money should be left in your paycheck for you to spend as you prefer.
“i thought government health care meant people could actually go to the doctor without being driven into the poor house “.....Do you know what social security is costing, and will cost, you ? Government heathcare will send you poor, to the mortuary.
Finally, healthcare and health insurance are two very different topics that frquently are confused. They are particularly confused, deliberately I think, by those who are attempting to foist government healthcare on the public. Healthcare is not the problem, and is not health insurance ;the affordablity of which is apparently the real concern.
Edward Lunny - 12:07pm on 07/29/2008
oh and btw, what control do you have?
You’re confusing my criticism of a government-run system with support for the current system.
I think it is only marginally better to have employers providing health care than to have government providing health care. The optimal situation is for everyone to provide themselves with health care.
Rob - 12:07pm on 07/29/2008
what control do you have?
I have the control of choice. I have the choice of which company and plan fits me best.
Unfortunately, many people have no idea just what gov’t health care can do to our society.
We are not talking a country wide Medicad/Wefare Give All benefit program.
Health care is a right. Health care payed for by someone else other than yourself is NOT. Step up and be responsible for your own life and stop expecting the government to take care of you and everyone else. Some of us who work for a living are a bit tired of supporting those who don’t. Compulsory redistribution of wealth (ie socialism or today’s democratic party) is an evil thing.
Anna - 12:07pm on 07/29/2008
Thanks, Anna. I really do wonder about some people. Are they that ignorant, or just lazy?
Chief RZ - 01:07pm on 07/29/2008
We already have the government (Medicare) calling the shots for our seniors’ health care. And probably eventually your health care and mine. My mother had health insurance (that she paid into for years and years) but when she became 65 her plan was no longer her primary plan and Medicare kicked in. Now she’s 91, has had breast cancer that has now spread to her bones. She needed a simple but expensive procedure to help control the pain. Medicare does not pay for the procedure. And since Medicare does not pay, her plan which became her supplemental plan does not pay either. However, if she had been a convicted murderer in prison she would have gotten the procedure at your (and my) expense in the form of tax dollars. Its been said that the future of a civilization is in the way it treats their elders.
Carol - 04:07pm on 07/29/2008
The same thing exists with health insurance, no matter who’s paying for it. The insurance co is the payer, not the patient. This is the basic evil in all the govt schemes: separation of the consumer and the payer.
When that happens, nobody’s minding the store, and prices escalate. Then, when govt tries to “control” this problem of their own making, they have to ration.
It’s what happens in all socialist enterprises.
The need to make a profit to stay in business is what makes business responsible to the consumer.
i thought government health care meant people could actually go to the doctor without being driven into the poor house
right now, my wife and i pay though the nose for health insurance for our family, even with a big employer contribution, and the coverage isn’t really that great.
i personally don’t see house gov’t healthcare could be any worse
the private market has failed. period. game over.
time to clean up and take care of american citizens.
oh and btw, what control do you have?
you still have to get approval to see specialist,
you can only see doctors in your plan,
god help you if you have to change jobs with a pre-existing condition,
you still pay half your monthly salary in prescriptions if you get sick,
your insurance can dump you at any time for any reason;
and you totally screwed if your job gets downsized
sounds awesome to me!
but seriously, why do people defend a pile of manure such as that? is that the best you can do?
pretty weak.
Correct. “We are from the Government, and we are here to help.” Run.
” The Oregonian has an editorial up highlighting the fact that the state-run Oregon Health Plan won’t cover a terminal patient’s chemotherapy but will pay for them to die. “......You haven’t seen anything yet. If the “government” controls heathcare, then the “government” gets to decide what is “healthy” for you, ala transfat prohibitions or fast food restaurant building restrictions. If the “government” controls healthcare they will decide what is safe for you to do, nothing risking long term injury. If the “government” controls healthcare the “government” will decide when your care is to expensive to continue.
“you still have to get approval to see specialist,
you can only see doctors in your plan, “...pick another plan, or buy your own. A big part of the problem is that people think that their employer should provide or assist in the acqusition of their heath insurance. It’s not the responsibility of your employer to provide health insurance.
“you totally screwed if your job gets downsized “...how ? Because you now have to buy something that you had no idea what the true cost of was ? Again, insurance is not, and ought not be, the responsibility of your employer. That money should be left in your paycheck for you to spend as you prefer.
“i thought government health care meant people could actually go to the doctor without being driven into the poor house “.....Do you know what social security is costing, and will cost, you ? Government heathcare will send you poor, to the mortuary.
Finally, healthcare and health insurance are two very different topics that frquently are confused. They are particularly confused, deliberately I think, by those who are attempting to foist government healthcare on the public. Healthcare is not the problem, and is not health insurance ;the affordablity of which is apparently the real concern.
You’re confusing my criticism of a government-run system with support for the current system.
I think it is only marginally better to have employers providing health care than to have government providing health care. The optimal situation is for everyone to provide themselves with health care.
I have the control of choice. I have the choice of which company and plan fits me best.
Unfortunately, many people have no idea just what gov’t health care can do to our society.
We are not talking a country wide Medicad/Wefare Give All benefit program.
Health care is a right. Health care payed for by someone else other than yourself is NOT. Step up and be responsible for your own life and stop expecting the government to take care of you and everyone else. Some of us who work for a living are a bit tired of supporting those who don’t. Compulsory redistribution of wealth (ie socialism or today’s democratic party) is an evil thing.
Thanks, Anna. I really do wonder about some people. Are they that ignorant, or just lazy?
We already have the government (Medicare) calling the shots for our seniors’ health care. And probably eventually your health care and mine. My mother had health insurance (that she paid into for years and years) but when she became 65 her plan was no longer her primary plan and Medicare kicked in. Now she’s 91, has had breast cancer that has now spread to her bones. She needed a simple but expensive procedure to help control the pain. Medicare does not pay for the procedure. And since Medicare does not pay, her plan which became her supplemental plan does not pay either. However, if she had been a convicted murderer in prison she would have gotten the procedure at your (and my) expense in the form of tax dollars. Its been said that the future of a civilization is in the way it treats their elders.
The same thing exists with health insurance, no matter who’s paying for it. The insurance co is the payer, not the patient. This is the basic evil in all the govt schemes: separation of the consumer and the payer.
When that happens, nobody’s minding the store, and prices escalate. Then, when govt tries to “control” this problem of their own making, they have to ration.
It’s what happens in all socialist enterprises.
The need to make a profit to stay in business is what makes business responsible to the consumer.
nice article