I don’t see a problem with the government supplying a “safety net” of public education for any parent that would choose it for their children.
Proof,
Like you I’ve always favored a voucher system or some method of giving parents choice. I just don’t think that goverment schools should be one of their choices. The state should not be involved in education. Why would any reasonable person believe the goverment would be even an adequate substitute for the private sector?
A “safety net” implies a degree of competence by the high wire act that is performed by the DoE.
Low income families should not have the disadvantage of relying solely on the goverment. Three or four of us sitting in a room for a few hours could provide alternative solutions far better than what is currently in place.
laydownSally - 01:03pm on 03/02/2008
atease,
I understand that there is mandated testing. I just think the arrogance of the goverment in this is boundless.
laydownSally - 01:03pm on 03/02/2008
I’ve always favored a voucher system or some method of giving parents choice. I just don’t think that goverment schools should be one of their choices.
If you look at the history of public schooling, public schools were first instituted (get a rain poncho here, some liberal heads will ‘splode!) to make sure that the general populace could read...the Bible! They were taught their letters with the old New England horn book:
In Adam’s Fall, sinned we all.
It’s not government schools, per se that are the problem. It’s the indoctrination into liberalism at the expense of teaching students to think for themselves that constitutes the biggest problem.
With a voucher system, I think that many of the poorer excuses for government schools would have to close. The good ones would survive. Competition is a good thing!
Proof - 02:03pm on 03/02/2008
Proof: Amen! Exactly right old boy! Bloody marvelous!
Neiman - 02:03pm on 03/02/2008
It’s not government schools, per se that are the problem. It’s the indoctrination into liberalism at the expense of teaching students to think for themselves that constitutes the biggest problem.
Yep. But that same liberalism has produced a huge bureaucracy that refuses to recognize that drastic renovation is needed. The government never conforms to improvement with reduction, always the opposite.
So in reality, the government is the problem.
We can’t allow a consortium of state and union officials to determine to curriculum. If this is done instead by multiple independent bodies, competition will succeed where a monopoly has failed.
laydownSally - 03:03pm on 03/02/2008
So in reality, the government is the problem.
Thank you Mrs Reagan!
Neiman - 03:03pm on 03/02/2008
With a voucher system, I think that many of the poorer excuses for government schools would have to close. The good ones would survive. Competition is a good thing!
We stand in agreement about the competition. But government is a hindrance to that goal and a poor competitor.
laydownSally - 03:03pm on 03/02/2008
Neiman,
Since you didn’t tag that comment with sarcasm, I’ll assume it was sincere.
I don’t want astrologist to determine our curriculum either. (smile)
laydownSally - 03:03pm on 03/02/2008
Good points, Sally! And lets not forget what John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd, John Corzine and many other libs all share in common…
THEY ALL WENT TO PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOLS!
Indeed, many of the most leftist thinkers, elite and intelligencia of the liberal movement in this country are PRIVATE SCHOOL graduates.
pparets - 03:03pm on 03/02/2008
California with this court opinion confirms their status as the first communist state. Ever read Animal Farm? The state must control the “education” of every person to insure they are not taught any individual thinking or freedom of thoughts.
Proof,
Like you I’ve always favored a voucher system or some method of giving parents choice. I just don’t think that goverment schools should be one of their choices. The state should not be involved in education. Why would any reasonable person believe the goverment would be even an adequate substitute for the private sector?
A “safety net” implies a degree of competence by the high wire act that is performed by the DoE.
Low income families should not have the disadvantage of relying solely on the goverment. Three or four of us sitting in a room for a few hours could provide alternative solutions far better than what is currently in place.
atease,
I understand that there is mandated testing. I just think the arrogance of the goverment in this is boundless.
If you look at the history of public schooling, public schools were first instituted (get a rain poncho here, some liberal heads will ‘splode!) to make sure that the general populace could read...the Bible! They were taught their letters with the old New England horn book:
It’s not government schools, per se that are the problem. It’s the indoctrination into liberalism at the expense of teaching students to think for themselves that constitutes the biggest problem.
With a voucher system, I think that many of the poorer excuses for government schools would have to close. The good ones would survive. Competition is a good thing!
Proof: Amen! Exactly right old boy! Bloody marvelous!
Yep. But that same liberalism has produced a huge bureaucracy that refuses to recognize that drastic renovation is needed. The government never conforms to improvement with reduction, always the opposite.
So in reality, the government is the problem.
We can’t allow a consortium of state and union officials to determine to curriculum. If this is done instead by multiple independent bodies, competition will succeed where a monopoly has failed.
Thank you Mrs Reagan!
We stand in agreement about the competition. But government is a hindrance to that goal and a poor competitor.
Neiman,
Since you didn’t tag that comment with sarcasm, I’ll assume it was sincere.
I don’t want astrologist to determine our curriculum either. (smile)
Good points, Sally! And lets not forget what John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd, John Corzine and many other libs all share in common…
THEY ALL WENT TO PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOLS!
Indeed, many of the most leftist thinkers, elite and intelligencia of the liberal movement in this country are PRIVATE SCHOOL graduates.
California with this court opinion confirms their status as the first communist state. Ever read Animal Farm? The state must control the “education” of every person to insure they are not taught any individual thinking or freedom of thoughts.