The North Dakota public defender’s office is criminal/juvenile only. And we don’t have a choice.
Jay - 10:05am on 05/09/2008
Ah, I didn’t realize there was a difference.
The Whistler - 10:05am on 05/09/2008
Obviously you have more experience in these cases than I do, Jay, and you may be spot on about this case. I’m just saying that the evidence so far (the editorial and the decision) doesn’t make this a slam dunk, at least not IMHO.
CPS should be eliminated. They wield too much power that requires too little evidence to execute. Regardless of whether this judge’s decision was right AT THIS POINT, the whole problem could have been avoided at the beginning, by taking action other than just taking the child.
iAMbs - 10:05am on 05/09/2008
CPS should be eliminated. They wield too much power that requires too little evidence to execute. Regardless of whether this judge’s decision was right AT THIS POINT, the whole problem could have been avoided at the beginning, by taking action other than just taking the child.
I think we can all agree on this. Funny, this last sentence is something that I argue all the time. CPS always harps on the fact that the target parents don’t do what’s necessary to properly parent their children. However, instead of providing “social services” to them in an effort to help them along, they remove the child to “protect” it.
It’s truly messed up. And I’ll say again...terrifying to witness.
Jay - 10:05am on 05/09/2008
mdmdc. Glad to debate an adult. Remember swaddling clothes?
I agree with Bike here:
I’m sorry, but what I’ve seen, sad to say, is that social workers who should be coming alongside parents to help them
There are way too many children actually being abused, given illegal drugs, being taught to lie, cheat and steal to worry about a case like this. I will give you (mdmdc) this, that it may be an outlander, but nonetheless, on the heels of the mass taking in Texas, it seems like one more step toward communism.
Chief RZ - 11:05am on 05/09/2008
In order for Secular-Socialism to become a reality in this or any other country, the state must seize absolute control over the minds and bodies of our children. The people of this country have for the most part conceded this as a fact of life and under the label “for the children,” the state now has such absolute control over every child in this country.
This blog has posted numerous stories wherein it has been established that the state is the supreme authority over our children; and, absent a public outcry and rebellion, this trend will continue unabated in the years ahead. Why won’t the citizens rebel against this intrusion? Because it has been constructed in small steps over several decades and piece by piece the people have not seen what has been happening and now I believe it is too late.
When good people doing nothing, evil will prosper!
That’s “legal services”. Don’t get me started.
The North Dakota public defender’s office is criminal/juvenile only. And we don’t have a choice.
Ah, I didn’t realize there was a difference.
Obviously you have more experience in these cases than I do, Jay, and you may be spot on about this case. I’m just saying that the evidence so far (the editorial and the decision) doesn’t make this a slam dunk, at least not IMHO.
CPS should be eliminated. They wield too much power that requires too little evidence to execute. Regardless of whether this judge’s decision was right AT THIS POINT, the whole problem could have been avoided at the beginning, by taking action other than just taking the child.
I think we can all agree on this. Funny, this last sentence is something that I argue all the time. CPS always harps on the fact that the target parents don’t do what’s necessary to properly parent their children. However, instead of providing “social services” to them in an effort to help them along, they remove the child to “protect” it.
It’s truly messed up. And I’ll say again...terrifying to witness.
mdmdc. Glad to debate an adult. Remember swaddling clothes?
I agree with Bike here:
There are way too many children actually being abused, given illegal drugs, being taught to lie, cheat and steal to worry about a case like this. I will give you (mdmdc) this, that it may be an outlander, but nonetheless, on the heels of the mass taking in Texas, it seems like one more step toward communism.
In order for Secular-Socialism to become a reality in this or any other country, the state must seize absolute control over the minds and bodies of our children. The people of this country have for the most part conceded this as a fact of life and under the label “for the children,” the state now has such absolute control over every child in this country.
This blog has posted numerous stories wherein it has been established that the state is the supreme authority over our children; and, absent a public outcry and rebellion, this trend will continue unabated in the years ahead. Why won’t the citizens rebel against this intrusion? Because it has been constructed in small steps over several decades and piece by piece the people have not seen what has been happening and now I believe it is too late.
When good people doing nothing, evil will prosper!