Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.
See any issues with that? Just curious.
Hannitized - 10:05am on 05/07/2008
See any issues with that? Just curious.
Just tell me which part you didn’t understand. I’d be happy to explain it!
Proof - 10:05am on 05/07/2008
Your advocacy of free speech is very touching, Pilgrim.
Here is another example of authoritarian-conservative tolerance of free speech, from just last week:
I just read the links * provided as a counter argument about the left’s intolerance for dissenting opinion. Here’s the first:
Regarding your April 27 article “Military majesty sets tone at parade”: If a civilian supports the troops but disagrees with the war, attending a parade may not be the answer. Protesters of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan attended the military parade in Raleigh. They were largely a Christian-based group and were spit at, cursed at, called communists and had their signs ripped from their hands.
One of the protesters was carted off by police after he lay down in front of an armored vehicle. This young man is my son. His brother, who is also 21 years old, is currently serving as a Marine in the Middle East. This young man supports his brother and wants him home in one piece. This is the reason he was at this event. To me, that support speaks volumes more than a parade ever could.
I wonder what “Christian based group” that was? Note that the author of this condemnation doesn’t identify it.
And....so a kid got arrested for laying down in front of a tracked vehicle on parade. Shocking. Yep, now THERE’S a real example of supression of free speech.
And here’s the second:
Regarding your April 27 article “Military majesty sets tone at parade”: Standing as I was, a few feet from the young man who lay down in front of an armored vehicle at Saturday’s military parade in Raleigh and was subsequently arrested, I have some insight into his motivations.
Where he was standing on the sidelines, that he held a sign and how he displayed it made him no different from many other spectators. Solely because of the dissident message on his sign, he was singled out by a Raleigh police officer and told that he needed a permit and that he must stop displaying it and move away. This same officer said nothing to other men who obstructed the protester’s sign with a large pro-military banner and threatened him.
Given the many signs on display claiming we are free only because of the military, it is ironic that his First Amendment rights were not protected and that he was driven to take such a desperate and dangerous action.
He was singled out just because of his sign? Wanna bet the guy was being obtrusive and obnoxious and the crowd had had enough? He was driven to lay in front of a track? Right. Right.
That’s good. Next time try to find something that makes sense to use in an argument, will you?
Another bet...wanna bet the two letter writers are either related or acquainted?
Pilgrim - 10:05am on 05/07/2008
Piglrim,
I thought you were about to teach me why the liberal was so offended? Can you please explain why he was offended?
He was tearing them down because they might offend someone who had had an abortion or was thinking about getting one.[/quote]
Ya think?
And what was it, in your mind, that was “offensive” about the protest Pilgrim?
Hannitized - 11:05am on 05/07/2008
Pilgrim,
Your opinion’s about the protester’s actions and conjecture about their intent, their relationship to one another, or their Christian organization’s identity notwithstanding; I would like to know your opinion about the use of thuggary and the use coercive power of the state against ‘deviant’ and ‘unacceptable’ political opinions/actions.
I may be mistaken, but you yourself have in fact argued against law enforcement overreach against the FLDS compound recently, correct? I’m just trying to reconcile how polygamy is more defensable from coercive law enforcement than a fundamental right (which you appear to advocate when it is applied to anti-choice opinions, but apparently disregard when it comes to anti-war opinions.)
Oh, and as for this:
And....so a kid got arrested for laying down in front of a tracked vehicle on parade. Shocking. Yep, now THERE’S a real example of supression of free speech.
Here’s a historical example from everyone’s favorite totalitarian-communist regime:
You and Chairman Mao may have similar tastes in what is considered acceptable political statements.
I suppose the same argument about “retarded” could go here as the argument about “hypocrite” in the first. Physician, heal thyself!
Ya think?
And what was it, in your mind, that was “offensive” about the protest Pilgrim?
I am pretty certain I explained that already. But if you need a refresher.
You are merely complaining about liberals intolerance of your republican intolerance. I find that, hypocritical. I’m weird.
Proof,
Can you proof read this please.
See any issues with that? Just curious.
Just tell me which part you didn’t understand. I’d be happy to explain it!
Your advocacy of free speech is very touching, Pilgrim.
Here is another example of authoritarian-conservative tolerance of free speech, from just last week:
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/1053578.html
Oh, and here’s a reaction to this protester’s actions, from a parent whose child is serving in the Marines over there:
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/1053577.html
I just read the links * provided as a counter argument about the left’s intolerance for dissenting opinion. Here’s the first:
I wonder what “Christian based group” that was? Note that the author of this condemnation doesn’t identify it.
And....so a kid got arrested for laying down in front of a tracked vehicle on parade. Shocking. Yep, now THERE’S a real example of supression of free speech.
And here’s the second:
He was singled out just because of his sign? Wanna bet the guy was being obtrusive and obnoxious and the crowd had had enough? He was driven to lay in front of a track? Right. Right.
That’s good. Next time try to find something that makes sense to use in an argument, will you?
Another bet...wanna bet the two letter writers are either related or acquainted?
Piglrim,
I thought you were about to teach me why the liberal was so offended? Can you please explain why he was offended?
Pilgrim,
Your opinion’s about the protester’s actions and conjecture about their intent, their relationship to one another, or their Christian organization’s identity notwithstanding; I would like to know your opinion about the use of thuggary and the use coercive power of the state against ‘deviant’ and ‘unacceptable’ political opinions/actions.
I may be mistaken, but you yourself have in fact argued against law enforcement overreach against the FLDS compound recently, correct? I’m just trying to reconcile how polygamy is more defensable from coercive law enforcement than a fundamental right (which you appear to advocate when it is applied to anti-choice opinions, but apparently disregard when it comes to anti-war opinions.)
Oh, and as for this:
Here’s a historical example from everyone’s favorite totalitarian-communist regime:
You and Chairman Mao may have similar tastes in what is considered acceptable political statements.