Have girls and boys who are observed kissing in public punished in the same manner?
2Hotel9 - 03:06pm on 06/30/2007
2hotel9 wrote:
Have girls and boys who are observed kissing in public punished in the same manner?
Had anyone else asked that question, I’d’ve just assumed it was done ironically.
Knowing absolutely nothing about this particular school, I can answer with complete certainty: No, opposite-sex couples who’ve kissed in public have most definitely NOT been punished in the same manner.
Dave - 05:06pm on 06/30/2007
Dave. Really? How can you assert with such authority that no parent has been contacted about heterosexual PDA? I would make the assertion that the ACLU would ban PDA just as was done in a recent “no touching” zero tolerance” school. Does anyone have some facts to add to this case?
Chief RZ - 05:06pm on 06/30/2007
chief:
Really?
Really.
dave - 06:06pm on 06/30/2007
dave. I will try just once again. What evidence, or knowledge to you have to share with sayanything? What school district?
I can tell you that in the school I worked in, on many occasions, parents were told of PDA, and worse. Hand-holding was about as far as students were allowed to go without being “written up.” I will wait about 10 minutes, then check back tomorrow for your facts.
Chief RZ - 06:06pm on 06/30/2007
Were the girls punished, or did the Principal just talk to their parents?
Because I remember the principal at my high school calling parents (or sending a letter) if kids were caught making out in the hall.
Rob - 07:06pm on 06/30/2007
PDA is not tolerated in most schools and it’s clearly stated in student handbooks. These handbooks are to read by students and parents, signed and returned. If the PDA rule was broken on or off the video then the school has all the rights to punish the girls. The punishment has to be the stated punishment that is in the handbook and followed to the specific word.
Personally, I can not understanding ANY authority not communicating with the student prior to contacting the parents. There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind that what so ever.
Most school give so many warnings before even asserting the rule and then the students are advised of their disobedience and then advice as to what will proceed from there. I am fairly sure the school was justified in enforcing the rule (if it’s the rule for everyone) but it clearly violated the student’s rights to recognize, comprehend and conclude where their actions got them.
Informing the parents first was so naive. I am appalled at this Principles standards. What he did was equal to being a snitch and tattler. Why on earth would the school authorities not allow the students their right to tell their own parents first. Isn’t that how we teach responsibility?
Grr… : /
Anna - 01:07am on 07/01/2007
Anna, you are so right!
Perhaps the principal should have spoken to the girls first and gotten some insight into how such a bombshell would have been taken by their parents - maybe this was an experiment and neither girl was sure yet.
Encouraging the child to be open about their sexual orientation with their parents would be a viable step.
I’m more concerned by the reaction of the parents, than that of the school.
ManofFireandLight - 02:07am on 07/01/2007
Rob:
And I would fully expect the principal at my daughter’s school to keep me informed of who she’s making out with at school, be it boy or girl.
Trust me. You’re better off not knowing… Raise her to make responsible decisions, and if they do things that the authorities think is wrong but really not harmful (e.g. PDA), be clever enough not to get caught. That’s about as good as it gets.
Carrick - 07:07am on 07/01/2007
What he did was equal to being a snitch and tattler.
It seems to me that, since we have turned public schools into what are essentially daycare and indoctrination facilities, the principal was simply being responsible. Besides, isn’t a bit juvenile to try to label someone as a “snitch” and a “tattler” for doing his job?
Have girls and boys who are observed kissing in public punished in the same manner?
2hotel9 wrote:
Had anyone else asked that question, I’d’ve just assumed it was done ironically.Knowing absolutely nothing about this particular school, I can answer with complete certainty: No, opposite-sex couples who’ve kissed in public have most definitely NOT been punished in the same manner.
Dave. Really? How can you assert with such authority that no parent has been contacted about heterosexual PDA? I would make the assertion that the ACLU would ban PDA just as was done in a recent “no touching” zero tolerance” school. Does anyone have some facts to add to this case?
chief:
Really.dave. I will try just once again. What evidence, or knowledge to you have to share with sayanything? What school district?
I can tell you that in the school I worked in, on many occasions, parents were told of PDA, and worse. Hand-holding was about as far as students were allowed to go without being “written up.” I will wait about 10 minutes, then check back tomorrow for your facts.
Were the girls punished, or did the Principal just talk to their parents?
Because I remember the principal at my high school calling parents (or sending a letter) if kids were caught making out in the hall.
PDA is not tolerated in most schools and it’s clearly stated in student handbooks. These handbooks are to read by students and parents, signed and returned. If the PDA rule was broken on or off the video then the school has all the rights to punish the girls. The punishment has to be the stated punishment that is in the handbook and followed to the specific word.
Personally, I can not understanding ANY authority not communicating with the student prior to contacting the parents. There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind that what so ever.
Most school give so many warnings before even asserting the rule and then the students are advised of their disobedience and then advice as to what will proceed from there. I am fairly sure the school was justified in enforcing the rule (if it’s the rule for everyone) but it clearly violated the student’s rights to recognize, comprehend and conclude where their actions got them.
Informing the parents first was so naive. I am appalled at this Principles standards. What he did was equal to being a snitch and tattler. Why on earth would the school authorities not allow the students their right to tell their own parents first. Isn’t that how we teach responsibility?
Grr… : /
Anna, you are so right!
Perhaps the principal should have spoken to the girls first and gotten some insight into how such a bombshell would have been taken by their parents - maybe this was an experiment and neither girl was sure yet.
Encouraging the child to be open about their sexual orientation with their parents would be a viable step.
I’m more concerned by the reaction of the parents, than that of the school.
Rob:
Trust me. You’re better off not knowing… Raise her to make responsible decisions, and if they do things that the authorities think is wrong but really not harmful (e.g. PDA), be clever enough not to get caught. That’s about as good as it gets.
It seems to me that, since we have turned public schools into what are essentially daycare and indoctrination facilities, the principal was simply being responsible. Besides, isn’t a bit juvenile to try to label someone as a “snitch” and a “tattler” for doing his job?