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Tuesday, May 30, 2006

You’ve Heard Of Second-Hand Smoking, Now Meet Second-Hand Drinking

Ugh...

The campaigns to combat the effects of ‘passive smoking’ are widely credited for Europe’s growing number of smoking bans. Now alcohol is in the sights of the public health lobbyists, and they have invented the concept of ‘passive drinking’ as their killer argument.

I have seen a leaked draft report for the European Commission, which is due to be published some time in June. It makes claims about the high environmental or social toll of alcohol, the ‘harm done by someone else’s drinking’. The report is likely to inform proposals for a European Union alcohol strategy later this year.

Dr Peter Anderson, the report’s lead author, who has a background in the World Health Organisation (WHO) and plays a leading role in Tobacco Free Initiative Europe, tells me that the concept of social harm takes the alcohol debate beyond the traditional limits of individual choice and addiction. ‘You can make the argument that what an individual drinks is up to them, provided they understand what they are doing and bearing in mind that alcohol is a dependency-producing drug…. But when you talk about harm to others then that is a societal concern and justification for doing something about it. I think that is an important argument. If there was not harm to others then the argument gets a little less powerful’ (1).


Read the whole thing.

This "harm to others" argument is an effective one. As the article indicates, it is the argument that has resulted in many smoking bans being passed. It is also the argument these same nanny-state, "we need laws to protect you from yourself" people will use when they decide to go after fast food, guns, sugar, coffee or anything else that you might be able to harm yourself with.

What bothers me is how many see this as an argument in favor of limiting personal freedoms and choices as opposed to an argument against a society that far too often holds the collective responsible for the personal choices of the individual.

Comments

Avatar for robert108

Other than the effects of “alcohol breath”, I don’t see a comparison between the two.  Smoking pollutes the air of those nearby.  Drinking does not.

robert108 on May 30, 2006 at 03:14 pm
Avatar for TwoHotel9

Here comes Prohabition again! It worked so well the last time that the cheese eating surrender monkeys want to give a try. Can say as I blame them, seeing as their wine industry is in the toilet. And their Muslem brothers will help them.

TwoHotel9 on May 30, 2006 at 03:17 pm
Avatar for Greg

Now there’s something the Jihadists and Nanny-State Euroweenies can embrace together!

Greg on May 30, 2006 at 04:26 pm
Avatar for Brooke

I think the idea is to curb DUI, ect…

I however, prefer draconian punishment to pre-emptive strikes.

Brooke on May 30, 2006 at 04:33 pm
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There’s a big alcohol and gang problem in the U.S. military.  It seems that many people enlisting are either drunks or become drunks, or gang members.  Normal people find it hard to go on a ‘jihad’ slaughter of innocents unless they’re crazy or stoned out of their minds.

diane on May 30, 2006 at 05:42 pm
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On the other hand, the real jihadis don’t drink or take drugs.  Go figure.  They have no trouble slaughtering, bombing and beheading.  I guess they aren’t normal.  Thanks for clearing that up.

robert108 on May 30, 2006 at 05:46 pm
Avatar for diane

So you see nothing wrong in drunken gangs slaughtering innocent Iraqis.

Why am I not surprised?

diane on May 30, 2006 at 05:50 pm
Avatar for E.M.

Luckily its an EU initiative, which means that it should pass in...oh...twenty years or so.

E.M. on May 30, 2006 at 05:52 pm
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To quote Hillary Clinton:  “There’s no evidence of that.” I don’t support non-drunken jihadis slaughtering and bombing, while using the civilian population as shields.

robert108 on May 30, 2006 at 05:52 pm
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Luckily its an EU initiative, which means that it should pass in...oh...twenty years or so.

E.M. on May 30, 2006 at 05:53 pm
Avatar for Brooke

HAHAHAHA!

I see Diane is spreading the same crap throughout multiple posts!

Brooke on May 30, 2006 at 06:05 pm
Avatar for diane

Where the post fits, wear it, Bhrooke.

Much better than throwing in junk about Fica and FICO where they don’t fit, like your Boy does.

diane on May 30, 2006 at 06:13 pm
Avatar for TwoHotel9

Yeah! Tell us more lies about the realestate industry, teenybopper.

TwoHotel9 on May 30, 2006 at 07:27 pm
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Just think, now all the members of PFLAG can sue for “second-hand sodomy”.  Lord knows they’ve been though enough grief, simply because of the sexual proclivities of their loved ones.

rasberry

Marty on May 30, 2006 at 07:35 pm
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Yeah! Tell us more lies about the realestate industry, teenybopper.

TwoHotel9 on May 30, 2006 at 10:26 PM

Oh wow..when he whips out that ‘teenybopper’ you know he’s really worked up.  smile

Okay, grab another can of whatever it is you’re imbibing and get the wax out of your ears and I’ll teach you a thing or two.

diane on May 30, 2006 at 09:08 pm
Avatar for TwoHotel9

About what, your new bratz outfits?

TwoHotel9 on May 31, 2006 at 01:18 am
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Perhaps we should sue Dhiane for “secondhand head trauma” caused by banging our heads into our desks after reading her tripe and anti-American rhetoric.

Brooke on May 31, 2006 at 03:48 am
Avatar for Veritas

Speaking of secondhand alcoholism, the occurance of pig rape among Hamas and Al-Quida is staggering, isn’t it? I mean, These muslims getting drunk and raping pigs doesn’t say much for the legitimacy of their cause, now does it?
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See, dhianne isn’t the only one who can pull shit out of their ass, spew it on a post she knew damn well had NOTHING to do with her “talking point du jour,” and laugh as everyone froths at the mouth.

Seriously folks, ignore this anti-American bigot. Her baiting tactics are juvenile, and she only serves to draw focus away from legitimate debate here. Trolls like her cannot stand being ignored, and will go away as soon as she realizes she is irrelavent to discussion.

In other words, DONT FEED THE TROLLS.

Thank you, that is all.

Veritas on May 31, 2006 at 04:24 am
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Well, you just ‘fed’ me some great lines in another thread, Veritas, so I guess you’re being duplicitous.

Bhrooke, your heads were damaged long before I came along; you wouldn’t have much of a case.

diane on May 31, 2006 at 11:36 am
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How ‘bout them Israeli Jihadists, eh folks?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16886-2004Nov27.html

A Girl’s Chilling Death

JERUSALEM—On the morning of Oct. 5, Iman Hams, a slight girl of 13 wearing a school uniform and toting a backpack crammed with books, wandered past an Israeli military outpost on the Gaza Strip’s southern border with Egypt.

The Israeli captain on duty alerted his troops to reports of a suspicious figure about 100 yards from the outpost. Soldiers fired into the air, according to radio transmissions, military court documents and witnesses.

“It’s a little girl,” a soldier watching from a nearby Israeli observation post cautioned over the military radio. “She’s running defensively eastward. . . . A girl of about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

Four minutes later, Israeli troops opened fire on the girl with machine guns and rifles, the radio transmissions indicated. The captain walked to the spot where the girl “was lying down” and fired two bullets from his M-16 assault rifle into her head, according to an indictment against the officer. He started to walk away, but pivoted, set his rifle on automatic and emptied his magazine into the girl’s prone body, the indictment alleged

diane on May 31, 2006 at 11:49 am
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