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Kenny,

Rob never tries to deliver the message that Obama is racist.  You are right…what was I thinking??

what was I thinking??

Hannitized: No one here ever accused you of thinking!

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Indignant Gilligan,

We all see that you are the little side-kick to you big buddy.  But I would appreciate it if you would at least make a point related to politics when you insult.  I mean, at least keep it interesting.

Are you denying that Rob is calling Obama a racist by proxy, yes or no?

Keep it interesting? With a joke like you Hannitized, I merely try to keep it humorous!

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I wouldn’t say he was a racist by proxy.
I would insist that he is a racist in his own right.
He surrounds himself with racist people (i.e…his wife; Wright; & now, his other preacher, Meeks).
If it were a single incidence of a single confidante of his having a racist viewpoint, I’d accept that Obama could be of a different thought pattern.
However, when SEVERAL of his closest advisors are quoted on racist comments,it leads me to believe that he is also a racist.

Gee, I had a feeling you would remain silent Kenny, Ken and all of you phonies who keep defending Rob on this issue.

Sorry, but you are guys can’t shake hands with the devil and then only say you are just kidding.

Sorry, but you are guys can’t shake hands with the devil and then only say you are just kidding.

No, It’s just that you “shake hands” with little Hannitized so often, we just don’t want to shake hands with you!
(Nice one-handed typing, BTW!)

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Indignant Giiigan,

Does Rob pay you to post nothing but insults on this site to distract from his attempts to label Obama a racist?

Or are you just really nothing more than a petulant little kid?

Are you angry that Rob is caught insinuating that Obama is a racist because it makes me right?

Rob is caught insinuating that Obama is a racist

Let me see…he spent twenty years in a church where the racist pastor said that AIDS was invented to kill black people, that blacks shouldn’t fight other blacks because their real enemy was white…a church that is a publicity arm for Hamas and gives awards to the equally racist Louis Farrakhan.
Said racist pastor was his mentor and spiritual advisor for twenty years. He is endorsed by racist and race-baiters. Wherever would Rob get the idea to insinuate that Obama might be a racist himself?

BTW, Rob doesn’t have to pay me to insult intellectually dishonest (Democrat?) slime like you. It’s my pleasure!

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The son, the argument is totally illogical.  I have several racist conservative friends, who dislike blacks, and yet, here I am supporting a black candidate.

It’s almost as if you people fail to understand personal choice.  Why, as a Christian can you not forgive people for their failings and still love them anyway?

The fact that I have conservative racist friends speaks nothing about me, except that I am probably more Christian than most.

You can twist and spin all you want, but that reality can not be changed.  What other people say and do does not speak for what Obama says and does.

Simple really, but its not like guys like Rob are appealing to the intelligent, thus, useful idiots like Proof.

That was supposed to read “The song, the argument..”

The question of whether or not Mr. Obama is a racist is quite (conveniently, it seems) beside the point.  His spiritual advisor and mentor for the past 20 years is most certainly a racist, a bigot, and a man who, despite the opportunities afforded him by this country to do very well indeed for himself, is inexcusably at virulent odds with what this country stands for.  Rev. Wright is the penultimate paranoid victim.  The argument that people will not, or should not, judge Obama by the nature of the company he keeps is silly, adolescent pap that is unworthy of adult discussion.

Still, all that aside, there is plenty of reason to disparage the notion of Barack Obama as president based solely on the issues at hand and Mr. Obama’s dearth of any pertinent experience in dealing with such issues.

The Constitution states that

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America…

The President is the Chief Executive of the United States.  Yet Mr. Obama’s executive experience, in any sort of endeavor, is non-existent.  He has no such experience.

In the field of national economic policy, Obama’s experience and knowledge are similarly non-existent.  In a time when the economy is clearly slowing, he would raise taxes, exactly the wrong medicine, without so much as a suggestion that he would seriously attempt to control the federal spending on the other side of the ledger.  Meanwhile, the Bush tax cuts, which brought the nation’s economy back from the twin ravages of the recession brought on by the tech bubble burst in the Clinton years and the events of 9-11, would be rescinded and allowed to expire.  Again, exactly the wrong prescription for an ailing economy.

Obama’s plan to “rescue” Social Security also relies on raising taxes along with the SS “cap” on taxable wages, but that “plan” offers no appreciable improvement to the program’s pending insolvency.  What little help his plan does offer is contingent on the “excess” revenues generated not being spent, as has been done since 1969 and LBJ’s so-called “Unified Budgeting”.

Obama has offered nothing to rescue the arguably more acute problem of Medicare funding.

The Constitution also states that the President “shall be the Commander in Chief” of America’s military forces.  Obama has no military experience at all.  This is particularly curious when only 4 years ago the Democrats’ nominee was trumpeted for his military experience, while the incumbent, Mr. Bush, was pilloried by the Left for his mere Air National Guard experience.  Apparently, military experience wasn’t really all that important to the Pooh-Bahs of the Left after all.  Perhaps they were simply lying about the whole thing… not unlike their nominee, come to think of it!

As I said, on the issues alone, Mr. Obama is singularly unqualified to be President.  His CV could easily fit on the front side of a 3X5 card… in block letters… in crayon!

Barack Obama is a capable, and even an inspiring public speaker… at least when he has a teleprompter handy.  But the job of President of the US involves far, far more than giving lofty speeches.  In all those other, far more important areas, Obama is uniquely UN-qualified for the job.  There is nothing in his background or experience to suggest that he even understands the problems we face as a nation… much less that he has any sort of viable solutions to offer.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

  His spiritual advisor and mentor for the past 20 years is most certainly a racist, a bigot, and a man who, despite the opportunities afforded him by this country to do very well indeed for himself, is inexcusably at virulent odds with what this country stands for.

Putting aside the argument that racism has not been proven with Wright, but rather a hostile response to victimization of racism certainly has, for the moment, you still seem to ignore the point that it is possible to have racist friends and not have that effect your personal view.

The argument that people will not, or should not, judge Obama by the nature of the company he keeps is silly, adolescent pap that is unworthy of adult discussion.

Funny you should say that bat, as people who listen to your sides argument are saying the same thing.

But here is the dilemma for you.  White racists had/have the power.  They have abused it and have hurt blacks with their racism.  Blacks, on the other hand have only been victims of this.  Having hatred for those who have hurt you economically, psychologically is understandable, but not christian.

For you to ignore that is insane to me.  But that aside, how do you expect a leader to change these people?  By ignoring them and shunning them?  Or, does a leader listen to them, find the good in them and then ask them to change their beliefs, where they are wrong and show them a better direction?

That is the answer none of you are willing to admit exists, because it is inconvenient to your argument.

Nevertheless, it is there and it is one that you will see presented, over and over.

You can twist and spin all you want, but that reality can not be changed.  What other people say and do does not speak for what Obama says and does.

Somehow, some way, I just get the slight feeling that Hanntized would not be saying this if, say, John McCain had a long-term friendship with David Duke.

I am going out on a limb here, but I will take my chances.

Or, does a leader listen to them, find the good in them and then ask them to change their beliefs, where they are wrong and show them a better direction?

Show me any evidence whatsoever that Obama ever even tried this with Wright.

Simple really, but its (sic) not like guys like Rob are appealing to the intelligent

Then there are guys like Hannitized that are appealing to no one!

You know, Hannoi-tized, it’s not just your sloppy spelling, sloppy punctuation, sloppy grammar and sloppy thinking that annoy us here. (Well, maybe it is!) But throw in (or up) the gratuitous character assassination which you so freely spew and it really makes you the whole package!

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Somehow, some way, I just get the slight feeling that Hanntized would not be saying this if, say, John McCain had a long-term friendship with David Duke.

John McCain has a relationship and endorsement of many Pastors who make similar inflammatory remarks.  Am I posting about it, over and over and condemning McCain?

I am going out on a limb here, but I will take my chances.

Bird on a wire.

Show me any evidence whatsoever that Obama ever even tried this with Wright.

Do you mean aside from his speech, that he gave in response to all the critics, like you?  Do you mean the condemnation of his remarks and the speech he gave about Wright and how he viewed some of his remarks and understanding of why people like Wright, feel the way they do, and how he said he can no more turn his back on Wright than he can the black community?  All of those examples are clear evidence of his position and your inability to be willing to accept them.

Obviously he had private conversations about Wrights sermons.  Are you asking for evidence of what was said between two friends?  Am I supposed to google a private conversation?  Do you remember a little spat a certain McCain had with a reporter who had asked him about a private conversation with John Kerry?  Remember his response?

What you also seem to fail to comprehend is that Obama is not quite in the full leadership role yet.  He is now and look what is happening.  This is all very obvious to anyone who is open-minded and not solely focused on the worst of man.

First of all Hannitized, I want to non-sarcastically say that this is the way to debate. I am more than happy to debate this with you if this is the tone and direct manner you will assume.

Do you mean aside from his speech, that he gave in response to all the critics, like you?  Do you mean the condemnation of his remarks and the speech he gave about Wright and how he viewed some of his remarks and understanding of why people like Wright, feel the way they do, and how he said he can no more turn his back on Wright than he can the black community?

No. I am looking for evidence that Obama took on the leadership role that you advised he should, before the Wright thing blew up that is, and took Wright personally to task for his crazy statements.

I am not saying it hasn’t happened, and you are right that you are not likely to be able to Google it, but the fact remains that there is no evidence Obama has done so.

John McCain has a relationship and endorsement of many Pastors who make similar inflammatory remarks

False equivalence. There is no one pastor who holds for John McCain the relationship that Jeremiah Wright did with Obama.
But thanks for the shallow, pseudo-analysis we’ve come to expect from you!

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No. I am looking for evidence that Obama took on the leadership role that you advised he should, before the Wright thing blew up that is, and took Wright personally to task for his crazy statements.

I think the fact that he and Wright had private conversations about his sermons and recognition that it may hurt Obama is clear evidence that Obama had a talk with him.  What was said will never be known, but there are clearly two possibilities.  One, is of course that Obama is also an angry black man, who continues to be upset about racism in American and also hates America.  The other is that he is the kind of rare leader that understands that the way to lead people is for them to trust you.  And once they do, you lead them in the righteous path.

Clearly blacks in this country have had a host of leaders who are and have been rejected by the majority because of their remarks and sometimes positions.  The others are ineffective leaders to these certain individuals, like Wright, who ignore some of “the black community”.

A lot of you are upset because of this “black community” thing or the comments of “black ideals” or what ever it is Wright said.  But I ask you to Google “Jewish Community” and see what comes up.  Do any of you have a problem with that? 

I am not saying it hasn’t happened, and you are right that you are not likely to be able to Google it, but the fact remains that there is no evidence Obama has done so.

Aside from the fact that Obama and Wright had conversations about his sermons and the possibility that he would have to distance himself from Wright.  Now that he is doing this, how do you think this impacts Wright and his church?  Do you think they will abandon Obama or do you think that they will listen to what he has to say about Wrights comments and make a choice?

But here is the dilemma for you.  White racists had/have the power.  They have abused it and have hurt blacks with their racism.  Blacks, on the other hand have only been victims of this.  Having hatred for those who have hurt you economically, psychologically is understandable, but not christian.

H,

Okay… Let’s take this one point at a time, shall we?

First, please tell me what white reacists you are referring to?  Those specifically that “have power”.  How many are there, who are they, how much power do they wield and over whom.  After all, there is little point in addressing a problem unless that problem can be clearly identified, and in this case quantified sufficiently enough to know roughly how great a problem we’re really talking about.

I say this because, as I’ve stated before, while there is most assuredly racism in this country, I hardly think the problem is of such magnitude and of such importance to a large enough number of people that it requires the country’s attention to the exclusion of other, palpably more pressing problems, such as our survival under the attack from “radical” Islamists, or a national economy that is starting to loose momentum, or the enormity of our federal government’s unfunded entitlement liabilities.

Barack Obama apparently sees race as a major issue in this year’s presidential campaign.  I not only doubt the overarching importance he places on the subject, I also doubt that he is the best qualified individual to lead such a national conversation.

On the other hand, if I was a glib but pitifully inexperienced candidate for president, with no viable solutions to any of the real, more pressing problems facing the nation, and I wanted desperately NOT to draw attention to my lack of any meaningful executive or national policy experience, or my lack of any cursory understanding of national economic matters or trade policy and tax policy alternatives, or my lack of nay sort of military, foreign affairs, or national defense experience… at any level… then I too might look for some sort of alternative hot button issue to make my own to the exclusion of those other, more pressing issues.

And if I could convince a significant enough portion of the voters that my issue, let’s just say race relations, was more important than any other, Why, I just might stand a chance of being elected.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

But here is the dilemma for you.  White racists had/have the power.  They have abused it and have hurt blacks with their racism.  Blacks, on the other hand have only been victims of this.  Having hatred for those who have hurt you economically, psychologically is understandable, but not christian.

H,

Okay… Let’s take this one point at a time, shall we?

First, please tell me what white reacists you are referring to?  Those specifically that “have power”.  How many are there, who are they, how much power do they wield and over whom.  After all, there is little point in addressing a problem unless that problem can be clearly identified, and in this case quantified sufficiently enough to know roughly how great a problem we’re really talking about.

I say this because, as I’ve stated before, while there is most assuredly racism in this country, I hardly think the problem is of such magnitude and of such importance to a large enough number of people that it requires the country’s attention to the exclusion of other, palpably more pressing problems, such as our survival under the attack from “radical” Islamists, or a national economy that is starting to loose momentum, or the enormity of our federal government’s unfunded entitlement liabilities.

Barack Obama apparently sees race as a major issue in this year’s presidential campaign.  I not only doubt the overarching importance he places on the subject, I also doubt that he is the best qualified individual to lead such a national conversation.

On the other hand, if I was a glib but pitifully inexperienced candidate for president, with no viable solutions to any of the real, more pressing problems facing the nation, and I wanted desperately NOT to draw attention to my lack of any meaningful executive or national policy experience, or my lack of any cursory understanding of national economic matters or trade policy and tax policy alternatives, or my lack of nay sort of military, foreign affairs, or national defense experience… at any level… then I too might look for some sort of alternative hot button issue to make my own to the exclusion of those other, more pressing issues.

And if I could convince a significant enough portion of the voters that my issue, let’s just say race relations, was more important than any other, Why, I just might stand a chance of being elected.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

False equivalence. There is no one pastor who holds for John McCain the relationship that Jeremiah Wright did with Obama.

You are right in that the comparison is not exact.  However, in your ignorance you fail to comprehend that perhaps the lack of deep friendship, or concern for what they represent shows, between McCain and his relationships with pastors shows McCain as the more shallow and perhaps more sleazy of the two.  For it is certainly likely that McCain has accepted these endorsements for the sake of votes.  Where as Obama might be after a greater goal.  One of uplifting blacks from a frame of mind that has been hurting them.

But thanks for the shallow, pseudo-analysis we’ve come to expect from you!

The only thing that is shallow is the level of your understanding.

Aside from the fact that Obama and Wright had conversations about his sermons and the possibility that he would have to distance himself from Wright.  Now that he is doing this, how do you think this impacts Wright and his church?  Do you think they will abandon Obama or do you think that they will listen to what he has to say about Wrights comments and make a choice?

Well Obama then missed a great chance to demonstrate his leadership. He did indeed discuss with Wright the possibility that Obama might need to disavow him. This tells me that Obama absolutely failed to use leadership to turn the guy around, because if Obama had succeeded in turning him around, this whole affair would never have surfaced.

I say this because, as I’ve stated before, while there is most assuredly racism in this country

Yes, and it’s mostly the ‘blacks’ who are preaching racial hatreds against the ‘whites’.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

You are right in that the comparison is not exact.

Smartest thing you’ve said all day!

Where as Obama might be after a greater goal.  One of uplifting blacks from a frame of mind that has been hurting them.

Yeah! “God Damn America” has a certain uplifting tone to it, doesn’t it? /sarcasm

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Bat,

Certainly we know that racism existed, not too far off in our past in a very real and serious way.  Obama discussed this in his excellent speech.  You and I may agree about where we feel we are as a country today, in regards to our country’s progress on this matter.  However, this does not begin to address the fact that we have a whole buncha people who don’t see it like you and I.  Perception is reality and I believe blacks create more problems for themselves by trying to create their own culture here in America.  But, nevertheless they do and race relations in inner cities is nightmarish, I am sure you would agree.  I can understand that seeing that on a daily basis can really get to you.  I know, I have had similar experiences as a “brown” person in SF.  It’s easy for it to rattle you, once you believe it is there.

I dont think Obama sees race as a major issue.  He has not ran on that as a platform, and I think you know this.  He has had to address it because it won’t go away and because of the black community he has surrounded himself with and not abandoned.  If he is doing it for the right reasons, I congratulate him for it.

On the other hand, if I was a glib but pitifully inexperienced candidate for president, with no viable solutions to any of the real, more pressing problems facing the nation, and I wanted desperately NOT to draw attention to my lack of any meaningful executive or national policy experience, or my lack of any cursory understanding of national economic matters or trade policy and tax policy alternatives, or my lack of nay sort of military, foreign affairs, or national defense experience… at any level… then I too might look for some sort of alternative hot button issue to make my own to the exclusion of those other, more pressing issues.

Ok, you have a very negative view of his experience.  But I think your ability to capture the true context of motive to discuss race is rather inaccurate.  You have selected your reason for Obamas actions, and I have clearly outlined another that I feel is more logical and certainly more inline with who Obama has presented himself as, to date. 

Further, knowing his sister personally and how intelligent she is, and knowing her world views, I know better than to succumb to the mischaracterizations offered by people like Rob and others like him.

Well Obama then missed a great chance to demonstrate his leadership. He did indeed discuss with Wright the possibility that Obama might need to disavow him. This tells me that Obama absolutely failed to use leadership to turn the guy around, because if Obama had succeeded in turning him around, this whole affair would never have surfaced.

See, you missed the point.  Obama had not been in a leadership role until he got near to the position he is in now.  Up until he was a front-runner, and almost shoe-in for the Democratic nomination, he was a Senator, a newly appointed Senator.

His leadership is only now strengthening to the point where he could influence people in that deep of way.  Doing so not by talk, but with the ability to make real change for this country.

Proof,

By neglecting to address the deeper point I made and attempt to re-direct the debate, you in-turn will be neglected.

And your level of maturity is being demonstrated adequately.

His leadership is only now strengthening to the point where he could influence people in that deep of way.  Doing so not by talk, but with the ability to make real change for this country.

That wasn’t the type of leadership I meant. What about personal leadership?

I think Obama himself is free from all of this Rev. Wright, Malcolm X black rage crap. There is nothing in his record anywhere that I have seen that he personally engaged in that garbage.

All the more reason for him to take his friend aside and tell him that he is bigoted, and wrong, using his personal leadership skills.

His oratory and persuasive abilities did not just suddenly pop up now, it is what got him here in the first place.

By neglecting to address the deeper point I made

That ass-umes you made a deeper point! Assuming facts not in evidence isn’t allowed in courtrooms, either!

Deeper? Old son, you give new meaning to shallow!

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Would that be like the “deeper point” you made about ass-uming fraud where there wasn’t any over on that other post? Just checking!

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That wasn’t the type of leadership I meant. What about personal leadership?

Personal leadership only goes so far.  You can as an individual walk away, but who will follow you?  When you obtain national respect adornment you are in a much better position to lead the lost in a new direction.  Otherwise they will stick with those who they can rely on. 

I think Obama himself is free from all of this Rev. Wright, Malcolm X black rage crap. There is nothing in his record anywhere that I have seen that he personally engaged in that garbage.

That is pretty honest of you Ken.  You deserve credit for saying so.

All the more reason for him to take his friend aside and tell him that he is bigoted, and wrong, using his personal leadership skills.

How do we known he hasn’t?  And if he did, how persuasive can he be?  I even have a hard time telling my friend who likes Filipinos, Mexicans fine, but doesn’t like blacks, or at least the ones he considers…the Nword.  As his friend I know we talked about it but hardly to the point where I could have persuaded him in any meaningful way.  Obama has that sort of persuasion when he has the captured the public attention he has and they know people are listening to his words, instead of being ignored, like the Jesse Jacksons of the world.  MLK had that type of persuasion, but sadly he was killed before he could do more good.

His oratory and persuasive abilities did not just suddenly pop up now, it is what got him here in the first place.

While that is a very valid point, it’s one thing to listen to a Senator that few pay attention to, it’s another when you have the entire countries ear.

While that is a very valid point, it’s one thing to listen to a Senator that few pay attention to, it’s another when you have the entire countries ear.

Don’t forget, Obama was already a state senator in Illinois and a political bigwig on the South Side.

Again, I suppose this is all moot because we do not know what these two men discussed in private.