Yet Another Apt, Yet Telling Comparison on Obama’s Public Option

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Remember when Obama compared his public option to the success of the post office?

“UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.” — Barack Obama, Aug. 11, 2009

In Obama’s “Platitudes-R-Us” Health Speech the other night, he made the following statement, comparing his health care proposals to the current relationship between public and private colleges.

They argue that these private companies can’t fairly compete with the government. And they’d be right if taxpayers were subsidizing this public insurance option. But they won’t be. I’ve insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects. But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits and excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers, and would also keep pressure on private insurers to keep their policies affordable and treat their customers better, the same way public colleges and universities provide additional choice and competition to students without in any way inhibiting a vibrant system of private colleges and universities.

Consider the California State University system:

SAN FRANCISCO-One day after the CSU system announced an enrollment cut of 10,000 students next fall, the UC Board of Regents said it would be forced to limit UC undergraduate enrollment as well if they did not receive needed state funding.

-Nov 20, 2008

Saying they could not avoid a painful decision, University of California regents voted Wednesday to trim freshman enrollment for next fall by 2,300 students, or about 6%, as a response to reduced state funding during the worsening budget crisis.

-January 15, 2009

Under the CSU plan, no additional students will be accepted this winter and spring and the hope is to cut fall 2010 enrollment by 40,000, Cal State Chancellor Charles Reed said Thursday. Also, employees would be furloughed two days per month and student fees would be increased 20 percent this fall.

-July 16, 2009

UC President Mark Yudof is recommending a 15 percent increase in in-state undergraduate fees that would take effect next spring, and another 15 percent increase on top of that beginning in fall 2010.
The governing Board of Regents will hear details of the proposal – which also includes graduate-level fee increases of 15 percent – at its meeting Wednesday, but won’t vote until November.
If approved, the undergraduate fee increases would be the eighth and ninth in seven years, and would send the price of a year at UC above the $10,000 mark for the first time next fall.

-Sept. 11, 2009
Sounds like UC is rationing education at ever increasing costs. But that could never happen with health care, could it? Commander Foot in Mouth strikes again!
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If push comes to shove, the “public option” health care can increase premiums to cover the difference

    Or they can simply deny entrance to the system. Just like UC.

    UC is both raising the cost of their “premiums” and denying entrance to increasing numbers of students. Just like Obama care would do.

    Is it your opinion that public colleges and universities do not offer a choice for students that cannot afford to go to private ones?

    No. It is my opinion that once Obama Care drives private insurers out of business, there will be only one system. And that will take away choice.

    Obama’s analogy is flawed, because the government is not mandating universal college education. However to pretend that a mythical government model will save money by being more efficient flies in the face of nearly (?) every enterprise that government has set its hand to throughout history. Why isn’t government “efficiency” enabling more students to attend UC rather than fewer?

  • ellinas

    Sounds like UC is rationing education at ever increasing costs. But that could never happen with health care, could it? Commander Foot in Mouth strikes again!
    By Proof on September 12, 2009 at 06:10 pm

    It doe not sound like the UC is rationing education.
    They are rationing education.
    If push comes to shove, the “public option” health care can increase premiums to cover the difference, just like the health care insurance companies do.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I did discover one of your sockpuppets while I was exploring how much your ADD has affected your mind, Dino.
    I can see why you would do it. When you say as many stupid things as you do, Dino, it would help if you could shift part of the blame!

  • ellinas

    the same way public colleges and universities provide additional choice and competition to students without in any way inhibiting a vibrant system of private colleges and universities.
    By Proof on September 12, 2009 at 06:10 pm

    Is it your opinion that public colleges and universities do not offer a choice for students that cannot afford to go to private ones?
    Are public colleges and universities in any way inhibit private colleges and universities?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Actually, I haven’t

    So, then, Dino: Is “actually” a word that you are unfamiliar with? Or merely as accurate as most of the crap you (or an occasional sockpuppet) spew here?

    You crack me up.

    Yes. Fact checking for actual facts must be unknown territory for you, Dino.

  • DINO

    But Proof-stem, your analogy falls apart when one considers that the private colleges are even more limiting than the public ones.

    Of course all your arguments fall apart since they’re formed from conservative idiocy.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    But Proof-stem, your analogy falls apart when one considers that the private colleges are even more limiting than the public ones.

    Sorry, Dinostem! It’s not my analogy! Your fearless, peerless leader came up with it.

    the same way

    But, screech a little more, monkeystem! It makes you sound so darned smart! /sarcasm

  • DINO

    The screeching you hear is the same one you’ve been hearing inside your head since Nov 4th. It’s a constant scream much like a two-year-old emits when told they can’t have a cookie.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Join Date 12/13/2008

    …from your latest profile. You had what? One or two profiles before that?

    You want to revise your statement that you haven’t been here since before Nov 4th?

    So is Joe a deadbeat with his child support too? I guess he had to make the payment on the Durango instead.

    What kind of a loser allows a lien to be placed against his house over $1200 in back taxes?

    Typical republican. Doesn’t want to pay his bills to live in this country or now, to support his kids but wants his toys. Deadbeat losers. October 27, 2008 at 08:10 pm

    Tell me, Dinostem: Does October come before November on your planet?

  • DINO

    Actually, I haven’t. I’ve just kicked your ass so many times it feels like longer.

  • DINO

    You crack me up. Ok, I was here a week before the election. Does it matter? I’ve wiped the floor with you for a week longer than you thought.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The screeching you hear is the same one you’ve been hearing inside your head since Nov 4th

    No, Dino, you’ve been here longer than that! Give yourself credit! (No one else will!)

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Actually, I haven’t. I’ve just kicked your ass so many times it feels like longer.

    The Portland PseudoPrognosticator is having delusions of adequacy again!

  • 2Hotel9

    Poor dinothefakehomo, too stupid to read, too slow to catch up to reality.

    Government run healthcare will lock people out, mainly homosexuals and immigrants, that is why e and dinothefakehomo are screeching and crying so loudly.

  • EnigmaCypher

    “Public Option” or “Co-Op”. It doesn’t matter what he calls it. Government control is still government control. They can’t run Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid the way the claim to be able to, why should anyone believe that they will be able to run the health care of the entire nation any differently?

  • bill-tb

    Don’t you just love it when the lying, yapping, wee weed up person gets in your face and tries to sell you on his argument no matter how circuitous and demented it is?

    Don’t you want to just shout, will you please go away?

    That dripping sound is the last of Obama’s credibility going down the drain.

    You cannot rationally argue with liberals, rationally reasoning thought is not part of their make up.

  • http://aglasem.com/ Anand

    SAN FRANCISCO-One day after the CSU system announced an enrollment cut of 10,000 students next fall, the UC Board of Regents said it would be forced to limit UC undergraduate enrollment as well if they did not receive needed state funding.

    The regents’ finance committee voted 8-2 at yesterday’s UC San Francisco meeting to send a statement to state legislators, warning that freshman enrollment would be curtailed if the gap in state funding continues. The statement will be sent along with the 2009-10 budget, which calls for an $815 million increase in revenue.

    The statement did not specify by what amount enrollment would have to be reduced. Regents said the statement is meant to impress upon legislators the gravity of the budget situation if the university continues to receive inadequate state funding.

    “What we have to do as regents is clearly state to the public and the legislature and governor what it takes to run this university at a level that is acceptable in a minimal way,” said Lt. Gov. John Garamendi, who voted for the motion.

    The university currently enrolls about 10,000 full-time students more than its resources can support, according to the regents.

    Despite the potential enrollment reduction, UC President Mark Yudof said he was committed to maintaining access to the university, adding that he supported taking a hard line on calling for funding from the state.

    “I think it’s our job as regents to forcefully articulate our point of view as the University of California and to make it clear what we need,” he said.

    Regent Eddie Island voted against the proposal during the meeting, saying underrepresented minorities and poorer applicants would be most affected if enrollment is cut.

    “I don’t think we ought to, with the data we have now, or the absence of data, target kids and their families whose dreams are tied to the University of California,” Island said.

    To compel legislators to take immediate action, Yudof suggested holding a special regents meeting in Sacramento and inviting Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to witness first-hand the tough decisions the regents are being forced to make.

    “It would be bringing the reality that we are confronting directly to the legislature,” said UC spokesperson Trey Davis.

    For students in attendance, the statement came as a disappointment, especially in light of proposed student fee increases for the 2009-10 school year.

    “I think the kind of students who are going to be affected … were overlooked,” said UC Student Association President Lucero Chavez. “Don’t make a statement on the backs of students and their families.”

    Combined with enrollment cuts in the CSU system and decreased state funding toward community colleges, enrollment reductions in the UC system could endanger not just the future of higher education but also the future of the state, said UC spokesperson Paul Schwartz.

    “It poses serious threats to the students and people of California,” Schwartz said. “Higher education has been the engine that has driven California’s success for decades-economically, technologically, scientifically, culturally-and all that is in jeopardy without public support.”

  • sayanything-4625

    Yes. Fact checking for actual facts must be unknown territory for you, Dino.

    When had Dino ever been concerned with facts or a coherent argument?

  • EnigmaCypher

    A few of us don’t.

    Hey I don’t either.

  • sayanything-6955

    why should anyone believe that they will be able to run the health care of the entire nation any differently?

    A few of us don’t.
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