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This line of self-destructive reasoning is not unlike suggesting that a sick person be allowed to become fatally ill, and then we’ll try a remedy.

It is a line of reasoning that puts one’s narrow philosophical interests above the welfare of the nation.  If I can’t have the candidate of my choice, then I’ll gladly see the country tank.  That’ll show ‘em!

It’s a line of reasoning which overlooks a simple truth:  The election of Brack Obama and the swelling of the democratic majority in congress - perhaps to veto-proof levels - will usher in a transformation of this country in 48 months which may be difficult if not impossible to undo.

Thank God there are millions and millions of republicans, independents and distressed democrats who do not share this burn-the-place-down mentality.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Pparets:
You are right about the potential for widespread and deep changes in the country under Obama and a veto proof Congress, it can spell absolute disaster for this nation and take decades to undo, if it can be undone at all.

The Republicans have brought this disaster and its potential consequences upon ourselves. We were a great minority party that simply did not have the courage to rule according to the great Conservative Principles that gave us power in Washington in the first place.

I have heard it suggested that the Republicans need to hold an emergency conference by this Memorial Day to plot out a strategy to keep this election cycle from being a terrible catastrophe for the party, and a true landslide victory for the forces of socialism.

Lastly, I understand Rob’s frustration and in other times I might agree that only defeat could heal a party drifting Left and into oblivion; unfortunately at this time in our history it might mean the Republicans never return to power at all. Even if they do, will they have learned their lessons and returned to Conservative principles or just become a RINO Party in order to ‘say’ they are in power?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

pparets has it exactly right!  There are any number of significant issues on which thoughtful conservatives can argue vehemently with John McCain.  Immigration and global warming are but two of them.  But there is no reason to believe that appeasement of our enemies or surrender in the face of bullying would play an y part in McCain’s agenda, as they clearly would in an Obama administration.

On the domestic economic front, McCain is committed to supply side tax cuts and policies that foster economic growth.  His opponent is wrongly advocating raising taxes and more government interference with the economy.

The third and final major issue in my view is judicial appointments.  At least two Supreme Court Justices have been ill, and are clearly awaiting the November election results before resigning.  There may be as many as two more appointments before the end of the next president’s (first?) term.  We may not get a Janice Rogers Brown or Priscilla Owens nomination from a President McCain, but do we really want another Ruth Bader Ginsberg?  Or two?  Or three?  It is certainly possible that with the election of Barack Obama the Republicans could also loose the ability to filibuster in the Senate.  There will be a lot of federal District Court and Appellate Court judgeships to be filled in the next four years as well.  Do we really want the ACLU and MoveOn.org passing judgment on those appointments under an Obama administration?

Conservatives may have a lot to complain about under a McCain presidency.  But we will have nothing at all to approve of under Obama.  And the damage done may very well be irreparable.  To our economy, to our ability to trade freely throughout the world, to our judiciary and the rule of law, and finally to our very freedoms.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Neiman:  Dear friend, with all due respect I don’t give a rat’s ass any more about republicans, conservatives or Rob’s frustration.  We’re not kids arguing over the rules for a game of streetball.

We cannot, we must not, stand by and allow Barack Obama and the libs to win without a fight. We do nothing on this blog except whine about what a RINO McCain is and pine for Fred Thompson… who, by the way, is out campaigning with McCain!

Our Lord did not tell his disciples to stand by and let the devil triumph, and then try to save them. He said, “Go you, therefore, and preach to all the nations!” Not later.... NOW!!

I’m sick of the “We’re so screwed” mentality. I’m sick of Rush and his defeatest jocularity. We need to get off our narrow philosophical soap-boxes and work to save the White House from the liberal democrats.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Thanks, BatWing!!  It’s time to stop the whining and boo-hooing.  We MUST stop Obama!!

The endless repetition of McCain’s sins on this site is a waste of band-width. It is accomplishing nothing except making it’s authors feel smug in their philosophical purity! What crap!

And, meanwhile, just for starters, the Supreme Court will be handed over to the liberals for the next 25 years!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

National Security that protects our liberty from any threat is priority number one.  McCain is the only candidate who not only understands this but recognizes the threats that exist. 

As an American, this leads me to vote against Obama or Hillary because of the threat their policies pose to individual liberty both directly (taxes, nationalized health care, assaults on the free market, etc) and indirectly (appeasing enemies, ignoring threats, abandoning Iraq, etc.). 

Liberty loses big time under a Clinton or Obama Presidency.  I cannot sit out live with the fact that I did nothing at the voting booth to stop it.

I’m sick of the “We’re so screwed” mentality.

pp, if you are refering to me as I’ve used that expression several times, I only used it in reference with what will happen if Obama gets elected ,a point on which we seem to be on the same page.  Yes, I believe that Obama needs to be stopped from achieving that goal and that a conservative defeatist attitude serves no useful purpose in
that regard.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

For myself I’m not after punishing the Republicans.  I’m just not going to support someone that on balance will be bad for the country.

I don’t even know that McCain would be less bad for the country since he would mute the opposition in Congress. 

By the way if the two oldest justices, John Paul Stevens and Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg, are replaced by Obama appointees, how is the El Supremo Court changed?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

HG and DocDave:  You guys are RIGHT ON!!  I am sick to death of the whining shills on this site who think it’s more important to bash John McCain than it is to stop Barack Obama!

DocDave, I NEVER had you in mind.  Check out some of the childish “We’re So Screwed” avatars - and other defeatist messages like them - on this site!

Meanwhile, folks like both of you, BatWing and me, let this crap go on, day after day and we are too polite to call it what it is.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Whistler:  That’s just plain bullshit.  If you sit on your whining philosophical ass, Obama wins.

What guarantee do you have that Obama will only get to name two justices?

Can you guarantee that Obama will only serve one term? 

What guarantee do you have that the country will suddenly wake up and stop the liberal juggernaught?

You don’t have such guarantees because none exists!  Are you really willing to risk the nation because you find McCain distasteful?

The last Democrat reign lasted 60 years!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Are you really willing to risk the nation because you find McCain distasteful?

As I said I’m not convinced that McCain won’t be worse for the country than Obama. 

Not that I think McCain himself would be worse, but having a Republican screw up the country would pretty much screw things up forever. 

You can get all huffy with me.  For my part I don’t consider your motives to support McCain as an intent to screw up the country. 

The problem is the candidate.  At this point I don’t know what’s to be done about it.  Too bad the guys so stupid as to be shooting himself (and us) in the foot. 

If he loses against a turkey like Obama HE must be a complete turkey.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The last Democrat reign lasted 60 years!

And the McCain Republicans screwed that up in just 12.  Why wouldn’t we hand him the keys to the family car?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The sooner the shooting starts, the better.

Whistler:  We don’t have to give the keys to John McCain.  We can stand by and let them be given to Barack Obama. If that’s Ok with you, then I am astonished.

Can you guarantee that McCain will screw up the country?  No.

McCain isn’t shooting himself in the foot. He is taking some positions which you find distasteful.

“If he loses agaist a turkey like Obama"… it will be our fault! Obama may be a turkey, but he is on a landslide course to win this election while you continue to whine about McCain.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

McCain isn’t shooting himself in the foot. He is taking some positions which you find distasteful.

Distasteful, downright idiotic, socialists, useless and dangerous.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

As I said I’m not convinced that McCain won’t be worse for the country than Obama. 

In what areas do you think that McCain is worse or equal to Obama?  [Don’t forget gun control, free speech or national defense]

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

I think we’re more likely to get BAD global warming legislation with McCain.  What’s frightening is that the turkey thinks that an European “cap and trade” is a free market solution.

The same thing goes for illegal immigration.  With McCain pandering to La Raza I think his border security talk is just that. 

I like what McCain’s saying about taxes.  Too bad he’s hard to consider credible on the issue.

You bring up freedom of speech.  I think McCain’s record speaks for itself.

Regarding other issues conservatives hold near and dear.  I don’t see supporting this guy who’s going to destroy the party is going to help.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  You think we might get BAD global warming legislation from McCain?  And so it’s Ok to let Obama win? 

What the HELL do you think we’re going to get from Obama!!!???

This endless posting of speculative ‘mights’ and ‘maybes’ by folks who resent McCain does nothing but clear the path to the White House for Barack Obama… and we KNOW what he’s going to do.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Pparets: You seem to be failing in enemy identification today. Whistler and Rob (Nor me) are not your enemies, they understand the extremist political ideology of Obama and do not want him elected.

However, more often than not those that pretend to be our friends can do more harm to us than enemies that are easy to identify. We know Obama and his liberals pals will try to do X and we can resist them and fight them every step of the way. McCain, as has been his pattern in public life puts on conservative clothes, then goes along with the most liberal Democrats and pats himself on the back for being a maverick. In this way he can do a great deal of harm by enacting the very policies and programs conservatives hate, while doing it in the name of conservatism. It is often true that better the enemy you know than the friend that is a enemy in secret.

Rob was making the point that it might be better, in a way, if a defeat caused the Republicans and Conservatives to wake the hell up. He wasn’t advocating their defeat or proposing it would be good for America in the short term. I can understand and respect that view as it has occurred to me on occasion; but, I also rejected it as not being good for America as an Obama Presidency and a filibuster proof Congress might to so much harm that Conservatism would be all but dead in America.

Respectfully, I think your rage is misplaced and you are reading ‘whining’ into philosophical discussions that does not exist. Further, in this case I think you are targetting the wrong people as enemies.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Preetty selective toot as you didn’t mention gun control or national defense.  The dems would make us defenseless both domestically and nationally given a choice.  As can easily be witnessed in gunless societies, once a population is disarmed and defenseless, they are victim to any governments whims.

Relax, neiman, we’re just having a ‘friendly’ debate.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

You asked:

In what areas do you think that McCain is worse or equal to Obama?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

pparets - I’m sick of the “We’re so screwed” mentality.

So am I. Some of my fellow conservatives around here need to man up and grow some balls. Some, such as Rob, are looking at our situation from a tactical standpoint and are thinking that maybe the Republicans need to lose to shed some dead weight. I don’t exactly agree with Rob (we differ on the details), but that’s a legit fighting tactic.

On the converse, some of the other conservatives around here, who shall remain unnamed, are just crying that we are so screwed.

Well boo-hoo. Crying never solved anything.

By the way if Republicans as a group would stand for what’s right we wouldn’t get these crappy candidates.

I’m not saying that PParents doesn’t want what’s best for the country, but blindly following someone like McCain is the wrong thing to do.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Thanks, Likwidshoe!! I am suprised to find out how many folks agree with me on this: You, DocDave, BatWing, HG, Zsa Zsa, Neiman, and I hope many, many more!

The time for whining is over. We must not let Obama win this election!

People who put ‘principle’, party, or their personal grievances about John McCain ahead of the interests of our country are willing to risk our liberties and the future of this nation for their own purposes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

The dems would make us defenseless both domestically and nationally given a choice. 
docdave on May 16, 2008 at 01:54 pm

One word for the above: Bullshit!!!

Whistler: You don’t get it do you? Or you don’t want to get it. The future of our nation isn’t in the hands of ANY party. It’s in your hands and mine.

I have no “blind loyalty” to John McCain, and if there was a better GOP candidate, I would back that person in a heartbeat.  You are a fine one to talk about ‘blindly’ holding a position!

Unlike you, I won’t sit around and whine over what I think will happen or what I think won’t happen under McCain. I know what will happen if Barack Obama is President. You do too!!

Obama must be stopped.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Elinas:  BULLSHIT??? 

You tell me what President Clinton did when the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen?

You tell me what Clinton did when he was ‘offered’ Osama Bin Laden by the Sudanese?

You tell me what Clinton did when he had the chance to take out Bin Laden in Afghanistan?

Where was the Democrat courage and will to defend us then?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Hey fellas, whatcha talkin bout?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Ooohh, nothing....  Go back to sleep.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

RBB,

You certainly do know how to make a timely entrance!

So where’s that list of “Big Dog” Clinton’s anti- nuclear proliferation and anti- Islamist terrorism “accomplishments”?  Hmmm?

pparets,

Why just the USS Cole?  Clinton was just as determined to “hunt down the perpetrators and bring them to justice” after the first WTC bombing, the two US embassy bombings, the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia.  Hell, by the time of the USS Cole, Clinton had that teary-eyed, lip-quivering outrage thing down pat.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

The republican party needs to wake up!  You stay ‘lock step’ with a failed administration, verbally defending policy that has put the country at an all time low globally.  The left will gain more and more control until the Right cleans it’s own house. 

This is not a conservative administration. Tax breaks for the rich and massive spending and massive increase in the size of government...and the right defends these actions...it just doesn’t make sense.

This country is far greater than this administration.

pparets.  Answer:  Nothing.  “Don’t bother me now, I’m watching golf.”
Now I will make reference to the three:  See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Communism is evil

BatWing:  Dang, when you’re good, you’re REALLY good!
Didn’t want to overwhelm Elinas with more data than she could handle.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Chief RZ:  It is written in MANLAW that no one can be distubed while watching golf.  My apologies.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Hey fellas, whatcha talkin bout?

Actually, we’re talking about the difference between liberals, who put gaining control of the levers of government ahead of anything else, and conservatives, who put what is best for the nation ahead of partisan considerations.

Thanks for asking!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Neiman:  I’m not targeting anyone as ‘enemies’.  But I am targeting the theory that a loss to Obama would be good for the country. It won’t be!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

brad.  sounds like I have heard these repeated often.  Care to debate.  Just pick one.  “The rich” pay more now than ten years ago in real and inflated dollars.
The other countries you may be referring to like France, Germany, Canada and England have “gone right” Should we go left and then be “out of step” with the rest of the world except communist China, Cuba and North Korea?

Communism is evil

pparents said:You tell me what President Clinton did when the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen?

Oh let me answer that one; not a fucken thing. Appeasement doesn’t work. Bombing asprin factories doesn’t work.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

brad - Tax breaks for the rich...

Yeah, funny thing about that - the rich pay almost all of the taxes, so any tax break will go to them.

it just doesn’t make sense

Sure it does. But you have to know and understand the reality of the situation first.

You tell me what President Clinton did when the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen?
pparets on May 16, 2008 at 02:28 pm

He brought it back to the US and repaired it.

You tell me what Clinton did when he was ‘offered’ Osama Bin Laden by the Sudanese?
pparets on May 16, 2008 at 02:28 pm

He thought about it and decided it was not feasable or worthwhile.

You tell me what Clinton did when he had the chance to take out Bin Laden in Afghanistan?
pparets on May 16, 2008 at 02:28 pm

He sent a few missiles his (Bin Ladens)way.

And he (Bill) did all that while he was being felated by Monica. Talk about ability to multitask.
Can’t say the same about George though. Poor guy he is still trying, but cannot accomplish his goals.

The dems would make us defenseless both domestically and nationally given a choice. 
docdave on May 16, 2008 at 01:54 pm

One word for the above: Bullshit!!!

Wasn’t the Cole attacked less than a month before the election?

Something something something wag the dog something lame duck…Monica…

Didn’t bush – after the SCOTUS made him president a few months later – dismiss retaliation for that attack as swatting flies?

So…what did bushco do about the Cole attack, invade Sudan?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Elinas:  Wow!  You have single-handedly restored my confidence in the democratic party.

Not!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

RBB:  Who cares?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

"realitybased"bob - Didn’t bush – after the SCOTUS made him president a few months later...

The SCOTUS didn’t make him President.

The people did.

But that’s too much reality for an upside downer like you to handle.

ellinas,

That’s a pretty glib answer… especially for a liberal.  But you’ve overlooked just one little detail:  on Clinton’s watch the US was attacked, again, and again, and again.  On Mr. Bush’s watch, we were attacked once, and since 9-11-01 there has not been another successful attack against the US.  Period.  And THAT is how you measure results!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Hmmm yes. How many recounts did Al Gore win?

Answer: none.

Likwidshoe:  RBB morphs history again.  The SCOTUS only ruled that the Florida Supreme Court plan to recount only three counties didn’t meet the standard of “equal protection”.

Next:  A clever RBB photo-op.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

...invade Sudan?

Come on!  Pay attention.  Not only do you have the wrong country.  Hell, you’ve got the wrong damn continent!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One - On Mr. Bush’s watch, we were attacked once, and since 9-11-01 there has not been another successful attack against the US.  Period.  And THAT is how you measure results!

This is a dangerous line of argument that will backfire on you, us, and everybody else who is ideologically connected.

During the present CINCs tour of duty, he led our brave troops to a victory in Afghanistan against the Taliban and the Al Qaeda terrorist network led by UBL.
He ducked into a cave after the New York Times “leaked” the information as to how we were tracking him.  The CINC successfully led our Naval and land troops to a victory against a 400,000 man army led by a maniac who threatened to use chemical/biological warfare against our troops.  They donned their protective equipment numerous times from Kuwait to Bagdad.  I could go on, but to certain people, nothing President Bush has done is good to them.  The reason is that he is a good and honest man.  He does not use drugs, does not cheat on his wife and believes in God and prays.  Just the opposite of what socialists do.

Communism is evil

Whistler:  We don’t have to give the keys to John McCain.  We can stand by and let them be given to Barack Obama. If that’s Ok with you, then I am astonished.

Can you guarantee that McCain will screw up the country?  No.

McCain isn’t shooting himself in the foot. He is taking some positions which you find distasteful.

Pparents (I respect your opinions and I don’t consider you the enemy) the issues conservatives have with McCain is he is calling him self a conservative and he is not. Although he is a better candidate that Obama or Hillary (Hillary is better than obama) McCain is not what I consider a good candidate for president his age and his thumbing conservatives in the eye at every turn.

Your asking conservative to basically abandon their core beliefs to vote for the lesser of three evils. Maybe four years of Barack Hussein Obama would get conservatives back on message and back into the seats. After four years of a comedy of errors we could right the country in the right direction. Conservatives need to start acting like Conservatives. RINOS Like SNOW, CHAFFE, WHITTMAN, HAGLE are not conservatives they are democrats posing as members of the GOP.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

Come on!  Pay attention.  Not only do you have the wrong country…

Federal Judge Says Sudan is to Blame for Deadly USS Cole Bombing

Nutters crack me up.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Lik,

How so?  By my count (since some folks have put a premium on being glib!) it would take two embassy bombings, a US Navy ship, and a military barracks bombing for Mr. Bush’s tenure to catch up to all that happened on Clinton’s watch.

Granted, there may yet be another terror attack against the US.  I pray not.  But if so, it won’t be because those in power in Washington decided that the best they could do to protect the US was to file some Class “D” felony charges against those responsible.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

How so?

Because the shit can go down.

If and when it does, people will take your argument, logically turn it around, and proclaim Bush and the Republican efforts as failures.

That’s not fair nor is it logically consistent with what we know about the nature of warfare.

Federal Judge Says Sudan is to Blame for Deadly USS Cole Bombing.

RBB,

Thank you for proving my point about those of you on the Left, including “Big Dog”, not taking terrorism seriously.  A judge’s order will be extremely helpful in preventing the next attack, won’t it?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

bush did nothing about the Cole attack.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

goon - Your asking conservative to basically abandon their core beliefs to vote for the lesser of three evils.

That’s life.

There is no perfect politician. There will always be trade offs and compromises. These are messy human beings we are talking about.

Nobody is asking you to abandon your core beliefs, only to fight for what you can get and then take what you can get when you can get it.

Goon:  If you regard 4 years of an Obama Presidency as a possible “comedy of errors” which will miraculously wake the people up, you are willing to take a far, far greater risk than I am.

I don’t give a rip what McCain calls himself. And nobody’s ‘core beliefs’ is more important than the safety, security and survival of our republican democracy.

This ‘crap’ about ideals has gone on and on and on, and where has it gotten us, Goon?  Nowhere!

Barack is steamrolling toward the White House while we whine about ideological purity, RINOS, McCain’s credentials, and the virtue of electing the lesser of evils.  What the hell are we, a debating society?

Take whatever position you want. I want Obama defeated!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

The liberals are very good biding their time, fighting for what they want, and then taking what they can get.

Just look at the growing socialist mess they have burdened this country with. They are slowly (some would say not so slowly) and steadily gaining ground.

The Republicans could learn a thing or two from the liberal upside-downers. They may be reality-inverted idiots, but they do know how to fight.

Once again, RBB, who cares!!??

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Lik,

What you say is true.  And your counsel is certainly prudent.  But I expect something more substantial out of my president than crocodile tears and disingenuous, on-camera blubbering.  Clinton didn’t deliver.

Besides, those on the Left who would make the accusations you rightly predict have nothing more than excuses and appeasement to offer as alternatives… which is all they’ve had from the beginning.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I look back on defining moments in history like that of slavery and think, where was the church?  Why wasn’t there a theological explanation made which would clear the air and allow many Americans to condemn slavery in America?

I look now to abortion and think will not abortion go down in history as one of the grossest of atrocities in the history of civilization?  Will it not be said that Americans were to apathetic, that greater action was needed and to few willing? 

I look at this election, and God forbid we end up with Hillary or Obama, and irreparable loss of liberty is the result, will it not be said that we could have stopped it had some refused to do nothing? 

History has a way of settling our differences without bias.

Lik & Bat: The liberals and dems smell victory like they haven’t in 20 years!  Meanwhile, some here at SAB are recycling the same old crap that they were crying about in January.  McCain is this… McCain is that… y-a-w-n

And you both have it exactly right… “biding their time”, “Fighting for what they want”, “Offering appeasement”.

And what are we doing?  STILL WHINING!!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pp, the Dems have a history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
There are many months between now and polling day.

Poles/trends/signs/special elections have mostly broken for the Dems.
The presumed gop nominee is a pandering elite flip flopper of the highest order.
Good luck with that.

God willing, this new gop will be ploughed under in November and we will be forever rid of their ilk.

Whither thou goest, O once proud gop?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

RBB: 

Whither thou goest, o once proud gop?

Hopefully, right into the White House.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Whither thou goest, O once proud gop?

The same place that the “once proud America” went - into the history books.

Pat yourself on the back. You liberals are winning. The tax burden, despite the hue and cry of “tax cuts for the rich”, has risen. Socialism is on the steady march. America doesn’t love itself as it once did. Appeasement is a good idea to one of the country’s major political parties.

You’re winning bob. Congrats.

So what’s the prize? So far it is bigger government, appeasement to evil and loss of American sovereignty (via the UN and other “world bodies").

It’s messed up when the the rest of the world is moving forward and America is moving backwards. It’s really messed up that you’re happy about this situation you and your kind have created.

“Reality based”. Try it sometime.

The dems would make us defenseless both domestically and nationally given a choice. 
docdave on May 16, 2008 at 01:54 pm

One word for the above: Bullshit!!!

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

Rbb,

Wishful thinking there.

The demise of the republican party will take the same blatant disregard for unalienable rights, ie, God given liberty, present on the left.  That is a ways off.  On the other hand, the dems embrace nationalized industry, limited property rights, relative morality, etc, etc.  They can’t cloak this ideological ignorance in emotionally hyped rhetoric forever.

HG:  From the founding of our nation, right up to the first shot fired at Ft. Sumpter, there were two theologies at work.  The abolitionist view was driven from pulpits in the North, while Southern congregations heard soothing sermons on the virtues of protecting God’s ‘special children’ with the institution of slavery.

All-out war resolved that issue.

History will say we could have stopped Obama only if we choose to do nothing but whine about McCain and our precious conservative principals.

We need to get off our butts, support the GOP candidate and STOP the liberal bulldozer.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

As I have posted before, I am not enamored with McCain and if the Dems had a credible candidate such aa Lieberman, I would be tempted to go in that direction.  But considering the choices we have how do they measure up side by side.  [f=favorable; u=unfavorable]

M O Issue
-- — -------------------------------------------
f u national defense
f u islamic threat
f u Iraq & Afaghanistan
f u 2nd Amendment
?  u 1st amendment
u u immigration
f u homo marriage
f u abortion
u u global warming
f u taxes
?  u free market
f u appeasement

These is the short list.  You’ll can probably come up with more.  Your grading may be different but one can’t help note the absence of ‘favorables’ for Obama.  To me that makes voting for McCain a done deal.  Remember a vote does not necessarily indicate unconditional support.

Errr, stupid system truncates spaces…

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

Pp,

I fear that we are quickly approaching the point of no return politically, if we haven’t already.  I mean lets face it, abortion is a monumental atrocity.  Doctors sworn to protect life are carving up babies in the name of choice and justifying it with science.  Liberals are allowing our teenage daughters to kill their unborn without a parents consent.  The same are giving condemns and lessons in sexual gratification to our children.  Liberty is being assaulted on every front from the environment to national security to the family.  All this while most in Washington wring their collectivist hands over economic prosperity and our efforts to win in wartime. 

This is not to imply it isn’t worth it or all is lost.  It simply means that cessation is looking less and less extreme and more and more necessary.  It’s legal, provided for in the constitution, and allows Americans the means to cast of this oppressive, relativistic, arbitrary, liberalism and restore the unalienable rights which we have to a fair degree lost.  I prefer to defeat liberals at the polls, but I fear they may be too deeply entrenched. 

I saw this on Wiki:

Justifications for Secession

The right to liberty, free association and private property
Consent as important democratic principle; will of majority to secede should be recognized
Making it easier for states to join with others in an experimental union
Dissolving such union when goals for which it was constituted are not achieved
Self-defense when larger group presents lethal threat to minority or the government cannot adequately defend an area
Self-determination of peoples
Preserving culture, language, etc. from assimilation or destruction by larger group
Furthering diversity by allowing diverse